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'08 Kawasaki ZX-10R Preview

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[55028]

Will wonders never cease... Nice write up, techy without being too techy.

 

[longride]

Good article. I really used to like the litre bikes because they were a bit bigger than the 600's, but now they are all the same size bike with a different motor. Too damned small!

 

[The_AirHawk]

Good article. I really used to like the litre bikes because they were a bit bigger than the 600's, but now they are all the same size bike with a different motor. Too damned small!

Ironically, I myself have always wondered exactly WHY the liter's were so much larger than the 600's - after all, the cylinders aren't THAT much bigger!

Now it seems, the Japanese have finally caught-up to my way of thinking when I was but a teenager. Where will they be in another 25 years or so................?

 

[seruzawa]

Ha!

Where will they be in another 25 years or so................?

Probably they'll be dealing with horsepower limits and speed governors. You are seeing the trend now in the naked standards like the Bandit and the GSX1400. Bigger engines tuned for torque because the gubmint sez you can only have 90hp. Then 85... then 80... and so on and so on.

It might save a life, after all.

 

[Kenneth_Moore]

Can somebody explain to the retarded guy in Florida why there is a liability issue with traction control? Or, how is it that adding a system that assists a rider with controling the bike creates liability? It's like saying we can't call this new thing ABS, it's a "tire tread wear management system to keep you from flat-spotting your tires during rapid deceleration." Huh? Cars have traction control, they call it that, and I don't think they had any liability concerns.

Also, any attorney worth his comission is going to cut right through any marketing/naming/labeling crap anyway. If there is a genuine liability issue with putting traction control on a bike, Kawi will get whacked for it in spite of any legal two-steps they may try.

 

[The_AirHawk]

Can somebody explain to the retarded guy in Florida why there is a liability issue with traction control? Or, how is it that adding a system that assists a rider with controling the bike creates liability? It's like saying we can't call this new thing ABS, it's a "tire tread wear management system to keep you from flat-spotting your tires during rapid deceleration." Huh? Cars have traction control, they call it that, and I don't think they had any liability concerns.

Also, any attorney worth his comission is going to cut right through any marketing/naming/labeling crap anyway. If there is a genuine liability issue with putting traction control on a bike, Kawi will get whacked for it in spite of any legal two-steps they may try.

Because the first time some mook hamfists the throttle and dumps the clutch (like I did this morning after I avoided some little Ol' Lady that pulled-out in front of me) and spins the back tire whilst wheelie'n (like I did this morning while.... you get the picture) then dumps it on top of him (UNLIKE I did this morning when.... ), the first thing his Lawyer will say to the Judge is: "You Honor, my client wouldn't be a stupid retard today, if the faulty TRACTION CONTROL and ANTILOCK BRAKES on his CBRGSXRZX-19 hadn't failed to save him from himself."

And the Judge will prolly agree, 'cuz he's a Democrat......... (ZZZZzzzzt! - Ploink! - Trolltrolltrolltrolltroll.........)

(yeah, I lit the fuse - what of it?)

 

[vermicious]

It's an attractive update inside and out but I'll reserve judgement until I see the dyno numbers.

 

[sarnali2]

(eyeing glittering spoon in the water...)

Maybe if Jeb Bush didn't step in and steal the election for his brother after his constituants proved themselves too stupid to punch a hole in the appropriate place on a ballot we wouldn't be worried about such things as ABS and Traction Control.....with the flat straight roads in Fla. who needs them anyway...

About the ZX10, an incredibly fast, good handling screamer that I couldn't shoehorn myself onto in the admitidly remote chance that I could find a need to ride a race bike on the street in the first place....excellent job!

 

[Kenneth_Moore]

And the Judge will prolly agree, 'cuz he's a Democrat......... (ZZZZzzzzt! - Ploink! - Trolltrolltrolltrolltroll.........)

Not in this neck o' the woods.

So, by that reasoning, anybody who buys an all wheel drive Subaru that loses control on an icy road can sue the living tacos out of Suby because the system didn't keep them from killing themselves? Look, I understand the "litigation nation" thing, but even in that light, I still don't see how adding what amounts to a safety system makes you more liable than not.

 

[52944]

You guys all whine way too much. To everyone who complains about not being on a sportbike. Get the F*** off the couch and exercises some! build up some flexibility! Get rid of that gut!

My father is over 70, probably a bit under 200 lbs and races and tours on a RS250.

I do admit though I will never need that much power on the street.

 

[52944]

I still don't see how adding what amounts to a safety system makes you more liable than not.

That's the whole point of adding it and not calling it TC. Adding safety systems won't make you more liable. Telling riders it will control their rear wheel traction and prevent the rear from sliding - That is what can make you more liable.

Hence them adding it and then not calling it TC. While they probably could be safe calling it TC then explaining to everyone how it won't always safe a crash, it's probably easier just not to call it TC.

 

[Kenneth_Moore]

That's the whole point of adding it and not calling it TC. Adding safety systems won't make you more liable. Telling riders it will control their rear wheel traction and prevent the rear from sliding - That is what can make you more liable.

Ohhh...ok. Now I get it. See, even I can grasp complex concepts with a little help.

 

[BrowningBAR]

Alright, Kgluge, calm down

No matter how much someone works out, they still may not fit comfortably in a sportbike.

 

[52944]

Alright, Kgluge, calm down

No matter how much someone works out, they still may not fit comfortably in a sportbike.

Oh yea I forgot to mention you can get bar risers and other such things. Not sure if you can get adjustable pegs that adjust lower (silly rear sets usually only let you got higher I believe)

My point was wear there's the will you should be able to find a way

 

[52944]

Edit by admin - calm down folks.

Wait so your whole insult is that I'm young and skinny?

Are you really so bitter about being old you go around insulting people for being young? How very Adult of you.

 

[BrowningBAR]

Wait, you just realized sarnali is an old, bitter SOB?!

 

[BrowningBAR]

What's the link to Blur Studios for? Are you in the 3D animation field? Vid games or just animation?

 

[acecycleins]

If the system is designed to detect "wheel spin" and it does not include application of a breaking system it IS NOT by definition: Traction Control. Look at every modern car (track or not) and it uses braking force to bring the car back into line. When you "retard" ignition you are simply cutting power. SO- TC is not on this bike (or any other for that matter). Suzuki's system uses a similar concept as Kawi.
As for the compactness of current sportbikes: Today's bikes are far smaller than their ancestors. A 1995 CBR600F bike was 405 dry but the dimensions of the bike were about the same as a 2004 or so CBR1000rr.
In short- they make them for jockeys. As long as you're between 145-175 you're in the house, but bust the 195 mark and things get tight (not in a good way).

 

[52944]

What's the link to Blur Studios for? Are you in the 3D animation field? Vid games or just animation?

Studio I work at. We oscar nominated shorts, game cinematics, commercials (did a cool rebook one) Ride films, we did the simpsons movie trailer, a bit of the beowolf trailer, we did all the NFL graphics for fox (robot stuff etc.) Did 40 mins of animation with Mickey, etc. for disney. We did stuff for the last rocky movie and pre-vis for fincher's Zodiac movie.

We do a lot of game cinematics (currently working on 20 mins worth for one high profile game) But we rarely do anything for the actual game graphics a few times game companies have had us make really high detail game characters then they've used them to generate their lower poly ones, but usually it's seperate.

It's a fun place we get a lot of those hollywood people coming in. I'm still hoping to meet eastwood and Riddley Scott though.