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*****, guys. Cruisers are inherently boring. I've owned four; two atrocycles, two hogs. The atrocycles are better machines, and not just IMHO. Built better, run better, handle better, and cost less. But geee, the heartbreak of the atrocituer tatoo on my forhead . . . . . . . . Still have one of the hogs and it's still boring, and after all the extra bucks I had to spend to make it less ugly and go slow faster, I can't afford the laser-tatoo-removal and I gotta wear a do-rag everytime I ride it. I think I'll have a pic of it blown up to life size and wallpaper the garage with it, since the most fun you can have with it is looking at it with a beer in your hand right after you get done polishing it (if you're still awake). The meanderings of Ebass on the other hand, make an otherwise deadass Friday morn at work a veritable erotic fantasia of surreal escapism. Dude, thanks for being you, don't ever change. And people, ***** this whole helmet debate *****, alright? You want tiresome? That's tiresome. Come to think of it, so's the HD debate . . . . gettin crabby now, time for my nap. :)
 

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I don't have anything against Beemers (I've ridden quite a few miles on a R1100RT) but one of our above posters referred to them as hi tech. BMW's cars are high tech but I don't know anyone who would describe its motorcycles as high tech. Except for maybe someone who rattles down the road on a antique, part-shedding, air-cooled, pushrod V-twin.



And his notion of getting "some class" by purchasing a BMW is as ludicrous as someone "getting tough" by buying a Harley.
 

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all i can say is i continue to see more H-Ds parked on the side of the road than any other brand. i wish it weren't so because i sure do like their looks.



did you happen to catch "motorcycle mania 2" on the discovery channel, where jesse james' $60,000 chopper, sturgis bound, barely made it out of the los angeles city limits before it started to disintegrate? sad, very sad, that the motor company can't cure what ails it.
 

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I Respectfully Must Disagree

I think MO should feature more of EBass' prose. If I want just information, I can find as much as I want on the Yamaha web site!

I DO think they need to get Bree or someone like that to pose for the pictures -- Eric just doesn't do it for me!

Bob
 

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Think there are more H-D's parked because there are more H-D's sold? Just a thought. Oh, by the way, which H-D engine did Jesse use in that 60G chopper? Just name the year and configuration.
 

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What exactly is the debatable issue?

let me guess ....

1) do helmets help protect you in an accident? certainly. only an imbecile would think otherwise.

2) does it feel good to ride without one on occassion? if you haven't tried it, don't knock it.

3) does the government have the right to dictate to you how much risk you should be allowed to take? i think not. requiring helmets is a slippery slope that could easily lead to horsepower limits and banning bikes altogether.

personally, i always wear a helmet. but that's my choice. please don't think that you or anyone else is the supreme authority on what is acceptable risk.
 

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Re: Stupid helmet

>>The helmet manufacturers themselves say that if you wreck over 30 miles an hour, then all they're good for is clean-up <<

I guess that is why none of the racers (car or bike) bother to wear them! I personally have tested several helmets in crashes at well over 30mph on the racetrack -- and a couple bicycle helmets at over 30 as well -- they all did their job, and not just to facilitate clean-up.

That said, I personally don't give a f#ck what kind of helmet, if any, that EBass choses to wear.

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Why are you describing custom built in-house choppers and then saying that H-Ds are broken down on the side of the road?



Most often when I see what looks like a broken down H-D, it typically is a hand built custom or a clone.



I don't think we can blame Harley for that can we?
 

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"More interesting would have been to hear some more from past owners of this bike like HelterSkelter since this is the second time that there has been mentions here in MOtown about problems with this bike."



Yes, and they were both by the same guy (HelterSkelter). Remember, for every disgruntled owner who posts online there are twenty happy owners out there in the real world who love their bike. Go find some and talk to them before you make a decision.
 

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Great looking bike...TERRIBLE attempt at a review! Save the self-indulgent, creative writing attempt for another forum. Reviews like this won't encourage me to renew my subscription.
 

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Uggghhhh, where to start.



BMW riders are the LAST people that should give a lecture about riding boring motorcycles.



The last time I checked the Germans still used the metric system, and also designate their engine sizes with cc's... so the R1200C and CL are both metric cruisers.



"Original" styling is not necessarily good styling. There is a reason BMW sells about 50 R1200Cs and CLCs per year- it's because THEY ARE UGLY! I (and about 300,000 other people per year and counting) would much rather own an attractive motorcycle like a Road Star or a Harley than an UGLY bike like the R1200C and CL. If BMW understood anything about the cruiser market they would realize that styling is a huge part of why someone buys a cruiser, and they would make something that a mainstream cruiser rider would actually want to own and ride. Obviously they don't, and their failure to make any headway in this market will continue long into the future until they figure this out.



BTW, how is the 61hp R1200CL more high tech than a 65 hp Harley or the new (roughly) 65hp Road Star? Because it has the tarantula special edition headlight setup?
 

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Let's destroy this point by point shall we?



You see more H-Ds on the side the road BECAUSE there are more H-Ds (many more) than other brands on the road. Proportionaly, do H-Ds break down more, in the last 10 years I think not. How many 20- 40 year old hondas and yamahas do you see still on the road?



Jesse James' $60000 chopper contains NO H-D parts, so what is this point to illuminate?
 

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Where is your sense of humor? This read was worth the annual subscription alone. I hope Bass hangs around MO for many more reviews.
 

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>>Remember, for every disgruntled owner who posts online there are twenty happy owners out there in the real world who love their bike.<<



Yeah, go to the Roadstar riders forum on delphi and read the HUGE list of problems that Roadstars have, then come back and tell me I'm 1 in 20.
 

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don't waste your time, longride. they're expensive bikes with some neat features that run like crap, if you question why the bike surges like a '64 falcon with a bad clutch, they say" they all do that, you just have to adjust your riding style," mine's for sale after a week of ownership,( a personal best in dis-satisfaction for me) my '79R100RT w/ 75k miles was more fun than this one.
 

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To the self declared literary critics. Find something else to compain about. Bass's article was the most entertaining MO piece in a long time. If you can't handle something different in your obsessive compulsive disorder lives just sit home and read the spec. sheet on your toaster.
 
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