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I've got to agree with everyone here. I think as a first bike you'll want a bike with a more forgiving power delivery and a more standard riding position. Okay, you may not want that bike now, but you'll thank us later. The 600RR is not that bike.

The 620 Monster would be fine, but I think it's advisable to buy a used bike. There are tons of low mileage, good condition used bikes that you can ride for a season, learn and then sell without financial hardship.

The EX500 (Kawi Ninja 500) is a good choice: Cheap and very available and, since they haven't changed in 15 years, you can find a good one that's a few years old.

Here's a bike no one has mentioned (if you must have something a bit more powerful than the 500 or the Duc 620): The Kawi ZR-7S. It was discontinued a couple of years ago, but you can get one in with low miles for under $4k. 750 cc, about 65-70 peak rear wheel hp, and about 43 ft lbs of torque. It's a very nice looking standard with a protective half fairing. In fact, one of the knocks on the ZR-7S was that it looked racier than its performance could live up to. But it'll be more than enough for your first bike. It'll also be inexpensive to maintain.

The SV650 is also a good choice, but it will be pricier. The Yamaha YZF-600R is comfortable with a more user-friendly powerband, but it's still a pretty serious sportbike, so I dont' know if I can recommend it as a starter. Same with the ZZR-600. The Duc Monster S2R is really nice, but has got a bit more power than the SV and you'd have to buy new.

Whatever you buy, get a few thousand miles on it and then think about trading up.
 

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When I was shopping for a first bike I thought I wanted a Buell blast, and when I was at the dealer I saw the CityX.....a bike I'd still love to take for a test ride. I like the engineering ideas behind the bike, but I don't know how those ideas would pan out in the real world. For instance, it gets great fuel economy, but doesn't hold alot of fuel. And you'd be limited to soft luggage only, if you read my reply to the member who started this topic you'll see I'm a huge fan of hard luggage now. The other drawback to me was insurance, I think the best quote I got was $1000 a year for full coverage, evidently like Harley's they're a high-theft item.



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Go for the duck. You're 35 not 25 and fairly responsible as you say. Not completely responsible or you'd be concidering a mini-van/sedan. The 620 has plenty of what you need and more comfort than the Honda. Soft bags also will help with the comute although either can be fited with these. You really can't go wrong; but if you drop the Honda it will cost more to fix the plastic than a side marker.

have fun and get a test ride on both.
 

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Re: Consider insurance costs.

???? You know that firsthand? Better get a different insurance company, State Farm rates Buells in with Harleys so the XB9 would be about the same as the Sportster or any other unfaired bike
 

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Re: Consider insurance costs.

I dont want an Italian bike. i've got no logical reason for this.

my state farm agent rates solely on cc's. i think he quoted me $68 a month on a 1000. not too bad for a 25 year old, i think. of course, the house discount goes a long way.

like i said, though, i still dont know who to believe about Buells. also, since I'd lke to commute (12 miles) 2 or 3 times a week, i dont know if the buell makes sense.
 

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"Oh my, look at me, I've just learned how to tell the time. Now should I buy a Rolex for my first watch, or should I get a Jaeger Le-Coultre?" No, you should buy a Timex.
 

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I'm with the majority of the posters here. Get a used 500cc bike. My first is/was a GS500, and I dont regret it for a day. I've had it for almost a year, and I'm still learning tons just about every time I ride it (it also helps that I'm slowly restoring it to good condition, the last owner didnt take very good care of her).



I'd love a 600RR, its on the list of 'next bikes', along with a few other sportbikes and sport standards; but I dont see it making a good first machine. Its certainly not comfortable, its twitchy, and its just not as 'natural' feeling as the other bikes people are suggesting. A sportbike will require intimate familiarity (on more than an intellectual level) of the dynamics of controlling a bike. The muscle memory, programmed reflexes, etc.



So, if you want one of those two... get the monster 620, preferably the dark version ;-).



Or, consider one of the following:



GS500

Hawk 650GT (NT650)

EX500

EX250

DL650 V-strom

etc

etc

etc
 

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Get the Monster SR2.
 

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I started on a R1150GS. If you are big enough to handle it physically (I'm 6'1" 180lb) then buy it. Perfect ergos and power distribution for learning through crazy.



Bike transitions are expensive. Get the one you want now. The GS is droppable too! I buried mine in a trail incident and it survived well.



Trust me.
 

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Yes I know this first hand.

Ill. Farmers insurance quoted over $900 for a Buell xb9s lightning with a $500 deductable.

State Farm quoted $645 for the same Buell with the same deductable.

Ill. Farmers quoted $180 on the 620 with a $500 deductable.

Never checked with State Farm but I'm guessing since they were lower on the Buell, they would also be able to at least match Farmers $180 quote on the 620.

Any more questions?
 

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Stop it, you big meanie.



Seriously, I was at Salt Lake Honda/Suzuki this morning and they've got some nice new red 650V-Stroms in this week. Very nice bikes. If I weren't hot for a Speed Triple I'd be very tempted.



I was looking at Suzuki's new 400 motard also. Looks nice, but the seat would be sheer murder after a very short time.
 

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if you have a 'rex 1100 a Z750 or Z1000 is a pointless exercise. Neither bike have decent suspension. You already do. The Z's also are vibey, the 'rex less so.



The XB's are grossly overpriced. small, tight, even cramped (5'11 190lbs) they are cool if you want to pretend you're on the sharp-end of a missile but not what I'd consider top-flight equipment. HD's quality control is disturbingly spotty.



If you want light and nimble, try the SV650. Then you'll realize how much fun the smaller bikes really are.
 

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The Speed Triples are almost impossible to get around here. I may have to look elsewhere for my addiction.
 

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what else can I add? used, used, used, used, used, used, used!

I guess that sums it up. Only the clueless buy new bikes to start on and the curse of eternal damnation to every single salesman who sells unlicensed or new riders GSXR's and the like.

Yesturday I watch in horror as some inner-city dork bought a GSXR600 as his first bike in "several years" without an M and without taking any training. He could barely figure out what control did what. And his fas-ass croney was going on "lift it up, lift it up. I got it up. I don't need any training, I taught myself. That 600 is weak, I need a thou" etc. Going 35+ in a very tight parking lot with cars pulling in and out. The salesman excused himself after watching the inept struggle with just basic paddling saying "I can't watch any longer." Ya think? Why don't you take his keys away and tell him he can have his bike back when he's passed the MSF course and gotten an M. And knock a $100 off the price upon doing so. And another $100 coupon for taking the advanced course.

Personal responsibility is obviously the domain of the rider, but frankly it's WAY overdue on the part of the salesman/dealership. If gunmakers and aircraft manufacturers can be sued because a user of said product is a waste of humanity, I want to see dealerships sued into oblivion for selling bikes to people who haven't a clue and have taken NO efforts to comply with the law.

Was your first car a 0mile mustang? Don't think so.
 

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Dear 35 and Clueless,

Better do some more research. You narrowed your choice down to two motorcycles that are very different from one another. You're beyond advice.

I'm sure whatever bike you finally choose will be the "right choice". At least that's what you'll be telling everyone right?
 

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I have a WeeStrom (DL650) and agree it is a GREAT beginners bike assuming one is not short in stature, but it is butt-ugly!

Second best would be the SV650, and they are relatively inexpensive when used.

A new GS500 would be great too for the style conscious because it looks like a GSXR.

Of course if Ed has his heart set on only those two options, the Duke gets 100% of my vote; I wouldn't even consider the RR.

Hell, I own a 1000cc V-Twin superbike for track days, and I myself would be scared to ride the Honda 600RR.
 

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I guess no one is riding today. I just got back from a 250 miler on the Brutale! I don't know how to say iron butt in Italian but Mama Mia!



Unusually cold here in Socal as well. We rode up over the mountain pass through Idylwild and I was wearing summer gear at 6000 ft and there was snow on the ground. My fingers were so frozen I could hardly grip the front brake lever.



We dropped down into Palm Springs and it was 80 degrees and I was able to thaw.



I think I can drop the Lame Poser handle after that one!
 

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Longride, check out the new edition of CW. They have a nice write up on the trip. Be sure to take a look at the small picture on the contents page, Talk about your tail light dragging wheelie! Of course when you read it, it'll just make you all the more frustrated. Sorry, VWW
 
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