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Re: Widowmaker!

Why not keep the TL-R as a streetbike and buy a "track-only" bike? For 2/3rds the price of a new GSXR-1000, you could get an Aprillia RS250- this bike weighs 300 pounds and puts out 70 hp! It also has premium suspension, brakes, and a frame like a Mack truck.

I rode one on the street, and it was SO much fun. When the powerband hits, it's like sucking on a crackpipe.

A bike like the RS250 is a REAL racebike. Notice that open-class motorcycle racing has generated relatively little interest, except at the Isle of Man. But with 70 HP, you can focus on sharpening your skills and having fun, which is what riding at the track should be about.

After a few track days, you would be leaving 600's, R1's, 996's, everything, in the dust.
 

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Street/Track

It is obvious that this bike will be one of the hottest streetbikes available, but it will be on the tracks where it proves itself and will really have the potential to shine. This year's Isle of Mann TT should be insane; between the R-7/1, the R-1/7 and now the GSX-R1000, it is looking like it will be a good race. (It won't be the same without Joey Dunlop though.) AMA's Formula Extreme series will also be interesting with the addition of the new 1000.
 

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To ride twisty roads and turn. As many people have said, anybody can go fast in a straight line. Do you go 150 a lot in corners (I highly doubt it)? If you do that on public roads you're just looking to die.
 

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Re: Honda...defect-free?

What Honda Sport Tourer (lucky to get 100 miles on a tank) are talking about? A VFR (not likely)? Maybe you're thinking of the VTR, which is not a sport-tourer by any stretch of the imagination.

Also keep in mind that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of people may think a bike is ugly, but what matters is what the owner/rider thinks.
 

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Re: Widowmaker!

So please explain to me what the point is of having a bike that is incapable of being used safely on the street. It seems to me that the only purpose of having a F4 as a first bike is nothing but posing.

As far as speed in a straight line being safe on the street, you had better pick a long, long straightaway with NO potholes, NO driveways, NO cross-streets, and perfect smooth pavement with no traffic at all. Highway 35 south from Salinas, CA has a few stretches like that; otherwise, I wouldn't know where to go.

At 120 MPH, you are going almost 2/3ds the length of a football field every second. So if you see a car or other obstacle in your path 1000 feet down the road (15th of a mile!), you have about 4 seconds to react, plan and execute a course of action. You're going to need about what- 400 feet to stop? Leaving you with 2 or 3 seconds to react and start braking. You could probably do it, (if you don't panic- you DO practice emergency braking, right?) but what if you saw the hazard 500 feet away? That leaves you with 1/2 a second to start braking, or...splat!

Your attitude about cornering speaks of your lack of skill and training. You can safely lean an F4 way, way, way over. But you should take it easy if you can't see through the corner.

An inch of "wanker strip" is a lot- I run about 1/4 inch on the street and I consider myself chicken.

I would get a lighter, less powerful bike if I were you- you'll see that it's the cornering that's fun.
 

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Re: Widowmaker!

Wow! It's amazing how your story parallels mine, with the exception of the year in a wheelchair, thank God.

I also became disillusioned with big, powerful bikes, and my riding only improved when I started riding an MuZ Skorpion. Expert-level chasis and brakes with a 40 HP thumper motor teaches you what sportbiking is about- braking, cornering, entrance speed.

Is the VTR a racebike to be? 250 Production is a great class, but as far as I know, only AFM here in Northern California has it.

Pretty stringent requirements in that last paragraph- but of 5,000 GSXR1000 buyers, how many will fit that description? I'm gonna say about 500, and a lot of those guys will be killed as well. It's just plain sad.
 

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What? A 2000?

That's LAST YEAR'S MODEL!!! Ha, ha, ha! If you're such a winner, how come your bike is so old and outdated? EVERYONE on this board knows that only bikes that are less than 6 months old are any good at all.

Aren't you embarrased to be seen on it?
 

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Yes, I realize that it's been the champ the last 2 years, but:

1) Suzuki hasn't had a good 1100 for years

2) It's still a neutered series compared to the original Formula USA series started at Willow Springs.

I have friends that live in Mississauga, just outside of Toronto. Any good places to ride there when I go and visit them this summer on my new 1000?
 

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Yamaha has proven to themselves that the 5-valve design ultimately doesn't work as well as 4 valves, but can't drop the design for marketing reasons. The combustion chamber shape gets too squished for good flame travel. Ferrari tested with 5-valve heads for their F1 engines, but went back to 4 valves for their F1 engines because it works better. Yes, I know the 360 Modena uses 5 valve heads, and does well, but it's also not as highly tuned as their F1 engines, or an R1 engine in respect to specific power output/liter.
 

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Thanks. I'll keep those in mind, although if I stop at the Ice House, it'll be just to hang out. I'm not much on impressing people, I'm just here to ride. I can't imagine the new 1000 being much more uncomfortable than my "old" one, and, since I can't afford the masseuse, I'll just have to ease the pains with a stiff dose of my favorite Molson XXX!! I really enjoy Canada. The only thing I have a problem with is your anally-retentive border crossing guards. What a-holes! Anyway, I've been wanting to ride my bike up there to visit them, just wanted to have a friend to ride with up there. This year I'll be doing it regardless. My friends up there own a Bagel Schmagel in some college town out there by Guelph Line, (can't remember the name), if you ever stop in there, tell Paul (the owner), his Greasy mediterranean friend from Cleveland said hi. Keep the shiny side up.
 

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Actually, I've crossed the border only in my cars, and got hassled. They had me pull over and searched my car. Those dirty bastards even had the nerve to make me pay tax on a bottle of rum that I'd bought here (and paid US tax on) and was already half-empty, sitting in my cooler! I also had an extra case or so I'd gotten at the border, and the girl said that they could CONFISCATE MY CAR FOR NOT PAYING TAX ON THE BEER! My buddy Paul has been down many times, carrying WAY too many cases of XXX for me, and only got hassled once going into the US, and the guy smiled and said "you know there's a limit on those", and Paul simply went into the building and paid a small tax on the extra cases, and was outta there. 'Course, we don't get taxed as heavy on booze, but still... For the most part, I enjoy the area, the friendly people up there, the food and cultural diversity, and the beer. Well, the strip joints are rockin' also, but, I digress...
 

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Interesting post, but I really don't think the GSXR 1000 is any more dangerous to the average squiddlebutt than the new GSXR 750 or 600. Both bikes are equally easy to make rookie mistakes on, the 1000 may actually be easier to ride due to the toqueier power curve. Face it, all new sportbikes are fast enough to get a chump in trouble in a hurry, however, I bet there are very few people who get a 1000 for a first bike.



I commend you for riding an older sportbike. I agree that most people can't take advantage of your 5 year old bike, or my two year old gixxer or the latest and greatest. Those of us who keep our bikkes for more than 1 or two years probably get more enjoyment out of them than the people who continually by the latest and greatest.
 

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Well, I hope your credit is good enough too. Plus your health and life insurance.



Don't let anybody tell you you're not man enough for this bike! Remeber, riding a sportbike isn't about skill or experience, it's about purchasing power and raw bravado! Think how much respect you get when you roll up to your local sportbike hangout. Everyone will ooh and ahh! Of course, they'll all be thinking, "What a frigging squid!" But they're just jealous!



And besides, you obviously don't care what other people think of you, otherwise you wouldn't have posted such a pathetic statement!



Enjoy!
 

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It starts to make a weird kind of sense when you see all of the "peeing calvin" stickers on the back windows of pickup trucks, with calvin peeing on a ford or chevy logo, depending on the brand of truck.



Here in America, we judge each other by our taste in consumer products. Not too surprising when you realize how little we spend on arts and education compared to other wealthy nations.
 

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Funny thing, eh? Actually, I would consider things like the new 1000 ROLLING art, much more useful than some trendy painting or sculpture that does nothing. Personally, I'd rather get some use out of my "art". Would you say that those in Europe (or in the US for that matter) are not judged on the artwork of or in their homes? Also, why is it that, if we spend so little on education, that we get so many 'furriners coming here for school (using student loans that many of them default on), then heading home. Just a few thoughts to ponder...
 

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Deep thoughts from a monkey...

Well, Monk, I've pondered, and I gotta say, I think you missed the point. When I talk about us spending money on art, I mean society supporting artists with grants and what not. I don't have much respect for people who treat art pieces as consumer goods either.

Maybe you have a limited idea of what is meant by "art." It goes beyond sculpture and painting and goes to film, theatre, literature, dance, music, or any other kind of artistic expression.

I agree, motorcycles are beautiful expresions of industrial design. Wasn't there some show of motorcycles at some museum, somewhere? But the problem is, our culture will be judged not by its wealth, but by our art: the enduring things we produce. Ancient Greek wealth has disapeared (most of it was probably in slaves!) but Greek literature, art, architecture and philosophy lives on.

The GSXR, while gorgeous, is another culture's art. We discourage people from becoming artists in our society by underfunding art education and grants.

As far as education statistics go, I don't writes 'em, I just reports 'em. People come here to go to school because we do have some excellent institutions of higher learning, but notice that Swedish parents don't send their kids to High School here.
 
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