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Let me just get this out of the way...

blah blah blah too big! blah blah blah too heavy! blah blah blah detuned!? blah blah blah kawasaki is stupid! blah blah blah they just lost a sale! blah blah blah the (#insert the make and model of your bike here#) will kick its ass! blah blah blah

Did I miss anything?

Can we get on with sensible conversation now please?
 

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First Post? The sport-tourer battle looks like it is really heating up, with the new ST1300 (STX) that isn't available in the US (Honda, DUH). The benchmark is still the K1200RS, but that one is mucho $$$. I need to replace my ST1100. Why wouldn't Kawa put FI on a new bike?
 

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But will it outdo my superhawk with the taller screen, speigler superbike bars and tank and tail bag? The superhawk is much lighter, better built, is a twin, and only cost about $5k used or get a 2000 for $6700. Now, if they can get me a SV1000 with fuel injection, we can talk. Until then I will ride the barely popular but incredibly functional Honda.
 

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As it is, this bike will be a great competitor against the Blackbird et al--it may not be the fastest, but like the XX, it has comfort, polish, and great looks.



You mention the subframe has been changed to accomodate hard bags. Does Kawasaki offer a set? If not, they should--with hard bags this bike could really square off with the K1200RS and maybe even the FJR1300 and ST1300.



Overall, this will sell far better than the ZX-12R.
 

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Re: Let me just get this out of the way...

It's too big! Make it 400 pounds lighter look at it. And they detuned the thing! Now it's slow! Kawasaki is stupid as heck and just lost my sale. My Honda Shadow 600 will kick its ass!

Oops... maybe should have left off the last sentence ;-)
 

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OK, looks like a nice enough bike. However, is it a shaft drive like the ST1300 or FJR1300 like most Sport Tourer's. How about the Concours? Any plans to replace that. I've got a GS1100GK that is old and not quite as fast as these new comers, but it does serve the purpose.



I cannot wait to see the reviews.
 

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re: bags + a little digression

They already offer accessory hard bags for ZR-7S according the their website. I would imagine that they will do something similar here. Of course the two salesmen with whom I spoke at my local Kawi dealer could tell me nothing about the bike ZR-7 including bags), or about the Concourse, or the Yami FZ-1. I gave them info off the website. Pity, I think this is a nice looking bike.And no test rides. I ended up with a new Buell.
 

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Ya - it's based on the ZZR/ZX11 but it's been completely updated. If your interested, the best article I have seen was in Rider Magazine a couple of months ago. Hopefully they put a shaft on the thing. I have a ZRX and would have paid extra to keep the lube oil off my swing arm.
 

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re: bags + a little digression

The ZR-7 bags are Givi's sold through Kawasaki. Looks neat though, I think. A "little" air/oil-cooled four, loaded up with luggage. I like it!
 

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Is this the updated ZX-11?

I agree it would sell with a shaft, but I don't think it's has one. I do like the styling. The engine will be nice. The tank's big enough. Assuming the seat and windshield are either adequate or easily changeable. This would make a fine sports tourer with a shaft and hard bags. Good competition for the FJR 1300, and the STX. Especially around the $10k to $10.2k price point (w/o bags).

If I were running Kawasaki, I'd want something a little more modern than the Concours in the ST segment. But with more sport than tour, this will face a lot of tough competition with the Sprint ST, the new VFR, as well as the Blackbird and Hayabusa. With a shaft and hard bags at $10.5k, it would be a contender.
 

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As long as we're running Kawasaki...

If I were running Kawasaki, the first thing I'd do is touch up the EX500. No new mechanics needed, but spruce up the fairing, tail, and exhaust so that it doesn't look so Reagan-era, and then maybe it could take on the SV650 in the lightweight/cheap/bang-for-the-buck market. Keep it $500 below the SV to compensate for the smaller engine. I think it's the EX's looks more than anything else that make it perpetually lose out to other budget streetbikes (namely SV).

I'd also update the Connie, but that would have to be a full do-over, not something easy like the EX. The Connie's got a good name in the tour-side-of-ST market, so giving it a new body wouldn't be too risky.

How about a totally new Voyager XII to compete in the new agile-luxury-touring market (K-LT and GL1800)? The current one is essentially an 80's retro bike at this point.

Introducing the ZZR1200 wouldn't have been above any of those three on my list of priorities, because the high-speed-sport-side-of-ST market seems to me to be rather small. But as long as it's already been designed, it's still nice.
 

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re: bags + a little digression

It's all just proof that America is having displacement/power inflation. Being 20, I'm used to it, but my dad (his 1972 Honda 350 was "really fast and powerful" when he bought it) sure chokes when I try to explain to him that 70hp machines are now considered "beginner bikes"...

I'll agree that the ZR7 looks great with hard luggage. It compliments the quarter-fairing and conservative lines quite well.
 

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ummm...no one seems to care that this bike has one ugly face!.........ill take the new vfr....which is a mixed bag it's self...no gear cams anymore on the veefer....and still less than a liter...shame....



actually, while im ...what is with bike manufactures this year...new style's are one thing...but there are alot of dog ugly (ducati multistrada anyone?) and stupid engineering designs (can chains on veefer) out there for 2002........and i cant beleave i read that honda is not bring the stx1300 state side...that cant be right at all....
 

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I'm glad you like your Superhawk. Very cool bike, and a killer bargain. But a sport-tourer? I've read that it gets 28 MPG and has a range under 100 miles. That ain't a sport-tourer.



The Kawi better have nicely-integrated saddlebags and a killer price, because the chain drive, Jimmy Durante nose, and what appears to be a nasty gap between the seat and tailsection will sink it otherwise. It looks like they're trying to hit the same note they tried for with the late and unlamented GPZ-1100. They would have been better off just re-skinning the Connie.

 

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Geesh, you guys love to rag on Kawasaki! I recently purchased my first kawi even though I favor suzuki as a company. I have the zrx1200 and in terms of standards it beats the Bandit (which everyone seems to love) and has very close numbers to the FZ1 (according to the print rags). Lets remember the purpose of this bike...it's a sport touring bike. Being the lightest, fastest and most agile bike out there is NOT the purpose here. I think that this bike would make for a great long distance mount...and it looks good too. I do agree with most that Kawasaki makes pretty lame race reps and take their sweet time in the developing department however, their user freindliness and comfort make for good street bikes. Kawasaki also tends to be very budget freindly. If this bike gets good reviews, I might trade my ZRX in for a 2003 model. (That is if Suzuki does NOT release the heavily roumored SV1000)
 
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