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Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

It will kill off the SUVS, and then we can have as many 2 wheeled vehicles as they do there in Japan. Please!

Hurry!

Hoo! That was a fun article.

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Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

Jeez, no "One Upmanship" involved, who the heck cares who posts first? I was being sarcastic! I wanted to start a nice discussion about having more 2 wheeled vehicles in the US.

If the articulate, incisive "Idiot" comment was about the "first post" biz, calm the $#*@ down.

If its about wanting/not wanting a gas crunch, post your real opinon so we can have a dicussion.
 

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I certainly didn't buy any propaganda from the Sierra Club. I cannot cause a gas crunch, therefore you have no reason to resent me.

Gas will become more expensive, it has to. Our complete reliance on Arab Oil WILL come back to bite us in the ass, eventually.

Folks that drive trucks because the have to will have to deal with the coming crunch, as when it comes it will be an economic/political reality. Whatevery you do for a job will require you to raise your prices to pay for the increase in your operating expenses.

It will hurt the economy. It will hurt poor people (everything does.) It will also kill off this stupid craze for giant cars that is plaguing the U.S.(uv) just as the last gas crunch killed off the giant cars of the 70's and ushered in an era of thinking about alternate fuel sources, and more fuel efficient cars.

All this being said, Europe and the far east (as seen in the Suzuka article) pay way the heck more for gas, and people still live happy lives. Their countries also contribute way the heck less to global warming than our piggish country does.

Right now the price of gas doesn't reflect the true cost of gas in terms of subsidizing countries like saudi arabia (thanks for the hijackers, guys) and damage to the environment. (Sierra Club can go #$*# themselves, but the climate IS getting warmer.)

While you have to drive a truck for work, what do you think about taxing SUVs? Or raising the gas tax? (Perhaps with commercial exceptions?)
 

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Gotta disagree on that one.....

Well, gotta disagree on that one.

I do not own a car. I also live in New England, and ride year round (in the winter if its not snowing, or take public transportation if it is.)

I realize that's not an option (the pub-trans) up there in Gorgeous VT, but one's back up vehicle can be something that gets good gas milage, no? Plenty of fellow hardy vermonters and mainers are pushin' Subaru's and whatnot, instead of ford Exploders and Heavy Suburbans, etc.

And yes, a 15mpg (some are worse!) SUV is more wastefull than ANY pleasure bike. In resources, wear and tear on roads, gas consumtion, pollution, and space taken up for parking& in traffic.

I hear you on not wanting the gubmint to legislate common sense & whatnot, but damn, people are going to drive these horrible things until it becomes too economically painfull to do so. I'd like that to happen sooner rather than later.
 

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Re: Please God, Let the USA have a Gas Crunch

Ah, interesting. But the money doesn't HAVE to go to road construction, right? Theoretically, it could go to funding alternative energy research, like BioDiesel (www.biodieselnow.com) so that trucks aren't using angry OPEC fuel.

Heck, why not spend the money on bike paths, rider education, and increasing awareness of motorcyclists?

Why not lower the taxes/tolls on motos to encourage their use?
 

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now THAT was a fabulous post.

Yes, Yes! Preach On! Testify!

Well said indeed.

But it seems that as a country, we won't motivate to undertake your excellent, and reasonable suggestions, unless we have a gas crunch.

Doesn't it seem logical that it would be PATRIOTIC to drive/ride something that decreases our reliance on foreign oil?

Public attitudes are so set against fuel efficiency/alternate fuel research right now. But as a country we're like a big junkie, and the OPEC is the pusher-man.

Regardless, thank you SO much for your thoughtfull post. That is just what I was hoping to stir up.!

keep ridin! it's good for you/good for your country!
 

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Praying for Devastation of Large Vehicle Resale Value...

Well, I'd say it was forcefull. I'll give you that.

In the scenario you put forth with all the SUV drivers trading in their big rigs for Civics, it sure would be better for visibilty, for parking, for the environment, for decreasing US oil consumption as well as wear and tear on the roads; I guess that is comforting.

you said:

"A gas crunch, not only would it have potentially catastophic consequenses on the economy, it would devastate resale values of larger vehicles. "

I gotta tell ya, that cracked me up. Anyone with me? Devastated resale values on gas guzziling behemoths? If that was phrased instead as:

"after the gas crunch, no one will want new or used SUVS anymore"

then yes, that is part of my dream.

Okay, so we have different dreams, opinons and priorites. Fine.

Combining your opinons expressed here and in the excellent pro/anti SUV argument thread after Burns' article "Friday Fanatacism" (4/12/02) I can see that:

*)you don't get why people see SUVs as gluttonous and wasteful: "I cannot believe this anti SUV thing to begin with"

*)you boast of your boat with a "Supercharged intercooled big block ($100 a day in gas cost),"

*)you advocate that others "come over to the Dark Side, were having fun!"

I'm not advocating outright prohibition of SUVs and big loud fast boats, and don't wish to have the gubmint legislate away gluttony. You have your dreams and ambitions, I have mine. Reinstating the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards and giving that legislation teeth, and taxing gas to support a national effort to kick the US's addiction to middle eastern oil would still let you persue your right to the rapid persuit of happiness, and be for the greater good.

I realize advocating long term thinking and a retreat from gluttony is quixotic in the current climate. (I think Custer deserved to be massacred, so I won't use your example,)

The US has a chance right now to lead the way (again), to show the world the path from oil dependence with our R&D capabilities to develop alternatives and increase efficiency. Oilmen in the whitehouse and ever more, ever larger SUVS on the roads here showcases our failure to do so, and it enrages me. Sound socialist? With GDubs in office, and **** "Bum-Ticker" Cheney telling him what to do, you got the oil men in your corner running the big show.

But ever so many scientists are joining the consensus that that climate is going to get warmer and warmer; it seems plausible that the house of cards relationship we have with OPEC will eventually crumble, especially if we kick sadaam's ass again against all the Arab world's wishes.

It is not news to me that I'm "outnumbered" by the masses that disagree with my opinions. I take that as a badge of pride, just as I do the fact that I ride and the vast majority of people don't.

I won't come over to "the dark side."

I believe history will show the minority was right.
 

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Re: Praying for Devastation of Large Vehicle Resale Value...

I don't (and didn't) claim to be knowledgable on pleasure boat fuel consumption. However, you're telling me the boats actually suck fuel down even faster than I thought. This is not weakening my argument about consumption of fossil fuels.

That being said, I'm glad we agree on SUVs. I also hope it's evident from my posts that I don't think SUVs or big-ass boats should be legislated out of existence. If gas gets way more expensive (either through taxes or political trouble in the Middle East) people rich enough to pay 350 clams a day for gas in a boat that costs 60 grand or more will keep on truckin', I'm sure. Hopefully the masses will start driving smaller vehicles though.

Also, nice website you got there. Damn some of those boats are big.
 
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