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brickl

Discussion Starter · Jun 16, 2003

Looks like it was a prop for Logan's Run.

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GmonSquared

· #41 · Jun 17, 2003

Numbers are meaningless on just about any sport bike unless you have the ability to use those numbers on the track. And most of us don't.

What about folks who want a sporty fun bike that's not cookie cutter Japanese? The TT600 03 MSRP was $8299, about the same as all the rest. (The R6 was $7999). In exchange you lose what is essentially nothing, a couple horsies on a stat sheet. A fine unique bike that compares favorably to the excellent other 600's - I like it. Nice job Triumph.

The extra $300 is worth it for the classy paint job alone.

KPaulCook

· #42 · Jun 17, 2003

Making motorcycles is not rocket science: maybe to Harley and US management it is).

Others can compete with the Japanese and win. Lets see Ducati comes to mind in. How about Aprilia. Aprilia didn't even make a superbike until a few years ago. Making motorcycles is not rocket science but to compete with the Japanese you can't do things the Harley way. You have to use the latest technology and be commited to quality. If you break down a motorcycle into its components its rather simple. Fuel injections systems can be bought (Klien). Suspensions can be bought (Showa). Brakes (Brembo) get the picture. Engines is harder but hey how long have people been making engines. It takes gut and commitment something Harley doesn't have. This is typical of American managed companies Even though American workers and engineers don't mind competition, in fact we thrive on it, Harvard trained MBAs who run most of Americans largest compainies bail [/b] These MBA trained idiots are preoccupied with the latest quarter financial results or the stock price.

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KPaulCook

· #43 · Jun 17, 2003

I agree. I like the Triumph's styling.

Eric

· #44 · Jun 17, 2003

Re: Making motorcycles is not rocket science: maybe to Harley and US management it is

Then again, a US based company is the largest shareholder in Ducati...

obandoj

· #45 · Jun 17, 2003

As usual yossef gets it right, MO rules! All you cheap bastards that cry about your 25 cents a week are a pitiful bunch!

rsheidler

· #46 · Jun 17, 2003

Racing Triumphs?

>>Currently, Triumph has no racing effort. <<

Actually not true. They are contesting the SS class in the British Superbike Series this year and won their class at the Isle of Man TT this year. Reports suggest they will contest the SS class in WSB next year and possibly also AMA SuperSport.

Cheers

Bob

longride

· #47 · Jun 17, 2003

Re: Making motorcycles is not rocket science: maybe to Harley and US management it is

"Others can compete with the Japanese and win. Lets see Ducati comes to mind in.

Didn't you say Ducati was the "Harley of Sportbikes" and the 999 the "Edsel of Sportbikes"??? My how you have changed since yesterday! Ducati competed THEIR WAY. Not by copying existing designs. Copying a Japanese 600 isn't compteting. Learn the difference.

KPaulCook

· #48 · Jun 17, 2003

Re: Making motorcycles is not rocket science: maybe to Harley and US management it is

Do they run Ducait???? Very different than being the largest shareholder.

KPaulCook

· #49 · Jun 17, 2003

Not a copy

It is not a copy. If they did that it would be illegal. It is an inline 4 cylinder bike displacing 600cc period. By your logic it is like saying that Honda Accord is a copy of a Toyota Camary. Use your brain shortstuff.

longride

· #50 · Jun 17, 2003

Paint it how you want.

Your post, while amusing, just confirmed what I said. It's more expensive, heavier, and has less horsepower than any Japanese 600. If you want to pay extra for a "classy paint job" then go ahead. Buy one, but I bet you won't. By the way, what is so "unique" about this British copy of a Japanese 600? I bet anything I could paint it lime green and slap on a Kaw sticker and 99% of the people looking at it wouldn't know the difference.

longride

· #51 · Jun 17, 2003

You ARE joking??

"England Knocks off a Japanese Bike"

The title again. I rest my case. I won't even mention all the Japanese parts, or techincal help they got from the Japanese companies.

Ducati IS the "Harley of sportbikes" right??

No answer.

The 999 is the "Edsel of sportbikes" isn't it??

No answer.

Funny how I can make you look so silly so easy, but you did all the work! LOL

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KPaulCook

· #52 · Jun 17, 2003

What does that have to do with the price of eggs?

Yes Ducati is the Harley of sportbikes. Yes the 999 is the Edsel of sportbikes. I still believe that. So what does that have to do with Triumph? Ducati is the Harley of sportbikes, because they have great marketing, styling, etc., However, unlike Harley, Ducati can do a fantastic job competing against the Big 4 in MotoGP. Why do American companies avoid competition? Why do they run? Why do they outsource offshore and only use their brand on goods made elsewhere? Bravo to Triumph for not doing that? Leave it to the Brits to show courage?

KPaulCook

· #53 · Jun 17, 2003

Some folks don't get cable

Some MOs don't get out much. Maybe Milwaukee doesn't get the Speed Channel

GmonSquared

· #54 · Jun 17, 2003

Re: Paint it how you want.

Did you miss the part where a couple pounds and a couple horsepower is in reality no difference at all? If you put them side by side I would take the Trumpet every time.

Actually I refuse to buy a Triumph that's not a triple. What's the point?

21684

· #55 · Jun 17, 2003

This rag never has any maintenance articles. Fire back people. 10 days is way to long to have up an article. I'm just trying to fire MO up into giving us better and more content. I read their stuff but I can gripe when I feel like it and enjoy all you turkeys firing back at me. It's a free internet and if you think everything is perfect then let's hear about it. If you don't then let's hear about that also. You may think I have the dumbest posts on earth but if I read another post about how great the SV650 is I think I'll cyber vomit.

longride

· #56 · Jun 17, 2003

It has to do with what you said

"Yes Ducati is the Harley of sportbikes. Yes the 999 is the Edsel of sportbikes. I still believe that. So what does that have to do with Triumph?"

Well you used the example of companies that successfully compete with the Japanese. You said Ducati, which is the Harley of sportbikes. So, I guess Harley then competes with the Japanese. But, no, you said they don't. Are you this confused in real life?

"Ducati is the Harley of sportbikes, because they have great marketing, styling, etc., However, unlike Harley, Ducati can do a fantastic job competing against the Big 4 in MotoGP."

So I guess not only do they have great marketing and styling, but make great bikes too?? Just like Harley or not? Boy, you are more confused than ever.

"Why do American companies avoid competition? Why do they run? Why do they outsource offshore and only use their brand on goods made elsewhere? Bravo to Triumph for not doing that? Leave it to the Brits to show courage?"

Harley does things their way. They never stooped to copying someone else. All I know is the Japanese all make numerous V-Twins, yet Harley makes no inline fours. You figure it out. Who copied and who didn't. It doesn't take courage to copy a Japanese 600 and claim it's British. That takes gall. You said it isn't a copy in your response to me, but your response to Seruzawa up top agreed that it was a copy. I can paste that too if you like. Since you seem to talk out your ass and your mouth at the same time, please try to make up your mind if Ducati is a success or failure, why Japanese companies continue to copy Harley, which you deemed a horrible company, and if this new Triumph is a copy or not. When you figure all this out, make sure you wrap your response in 12 pounds of bullshyt like you always do.

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longride

· #57 · Jun 17, 2003

Re: Paint it how you want.

Point is, they make em to sell em, and you aren't buying one. Second point is, very few others are going to buy them. Third point is, why bother making this thing in the first place? To say the few pounds and horsepower and price don't make a difference is naive at best. Using your logic, nobody should ever buy anything more than a 600, because they certainly can't use it.

KPaulCook

· #58 · Jun 17, 2003

Re: Paint it how you want.

You still don't get it longride It only shares displacement and configuration with the big four , yet it has a uniquely British look. So he prefers a triple just like some guys prefer liter bikes big deal. Why is that incosistentent? Using your logic shortstuff anyone that makes a V-Twin is copying Harley.

13630

· #59 · Jun 17, 2003

I know. I wasn't arguing that the 6 To 8 pounds make any difference in the real world, just in the mind of the street-only-riding squid who makes his decision based on that spec.

Chango

· #60 · Jun 17, 2003

Yes. Ten (10) days is a long time to have to read one article. I like the print mags where you have to read one article for thirty (30) days...

Remember, it's always easier to do things the hard way. Chango

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