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Re: It has to do with what you said
Geez, calm down. I used to think KPaul was the jerk for always being discouraging and aggressive. Not that you're being discouraging, but you seem to be in a bad mood today, do you need a hug?
Geez, calm down. I used to think KPaul was the jerk for always being discouraging and aggressive. Not that you're being discouraging, but you seem to be in a bad mood today, do you need a hug?
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Re: Paint it how you want.
Here's my two cents, for what it's worth (and I'm sure you will tell me). So what if it's a knock-off. That is how Japan's auto industry took off. And now they produce unique Japanese cars. And they still make knock offs.
If making a knockoff well bring in enough money to do the research to make unique britsh protucts, all the power to them.
And Italy is not the only country to put out a non-harley dupe. The Honda VTR1000 and Susuki TL1000 are awesome engines.
Not Potato-potato bikes.
Here's my two cents, for what it's worth (and I'm sure you will tell me). So what if it's a knock-off. That is how Japan's auto industry took off. And now they produce unique Japanese cars. And they still make knock offs.
If making a knockoff well bring in enough money to do the research to make unique britsh protucts, all the power to them.
And Italy is not the only country to put out a non-harley dupe. The Honda VTR1000 and Susuki TL1000 are awesome engines.
Not Potato-potato bikes.
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Re: Paint it how you want.
God, I agree with you. I use to own a 95 Ducati 900 SuperSport. Not the fastest. Not the best handeling. But it was gorgeous and it felt special riding the bike. It was worth the extra money I put out on it. I'm not racing anyone. So what does it matter. The bike was fast. It did handle well.
God, I agree with you. I use to own a 95 Ducati 900 SuperSport. Not the fastest. Not the best handeling. But it was gorgeous and it felt special riding the bike. It was worth the extra money I put out on it. I'm not racing anyone. So what does it matter. The bike was fast. It did handle well.
Triumph Sounds Japan's Death Knell
Japanese dominance is going, going, gone over the next decade, kids. You heard it hear first. Some reasons:
1) Bike technology is already so good that further incremental increases are becoming very difficult. Did you hear Boehm gush over the new liter Gixxer? That's great, but what are they going to do for an encore? Make the whole bike out of carbon fiber? Meanwhile, incremental gains at the smaller companies will be greater, since they have catching up to do, narrowing the gap every year.
2) Japan's economy has been in the dumper for the last decade. When a strong yen returns, import prices go up, and suddenly there's no premium for owning a Triumph.
3) People buy Japanese bikes because they offer unparalleled price, performance, and reliability. Brand loyalty is seldom a factor. When Europe catches up in these three arenas, customers will leave the Japanese like rats fleeing the Potemkin.
4) China is the world's largest producer of motorcycles, and they are annihilating Japan with their cheap knockoffs. Honda beats Harley every year on the strength of its small displacement bikes it sells in developing countries. Those are going away. Rapidly.
Japanese dominance is going, going, gone over the next decade, kids. You heard it hear first. Some reasons:
1) Bike technology is already so good that further incremental increases are becoming very difficult. Did you hear Boehm gush over the new liter Gixxer? That's great, but what are they going to do for an encore? Make the whole bike out of carbon fiber? Meanwhile, incremental gains at the smaller companies will be greater, since they have catching up to do, narrowing the gap every year.
2) Japan's economy has been in the dumper for the last decade. When a strong yen returns, import prices go up, and suddenly there's no premium for owning a Triumph.
3) People buy Japanese bikes because they offer unparalleled price, performance, and reliability. Brand loyalty is seldom a factor. When Europe catches up in these three arenas, customers will leave the Japanese like rats fleeing the Potemkin.
4) China is the world's largest producer of motorcycles, and they are annihilating Japan with their cheap knockoffs. Honda beats Harley every year on the strength of its small displacement bikes it sells in developing countries. Those are going away. Rapidly.
Re: It has to do with what you said
LOL!
Oh great source of The Truth(tm), thou hath giveth an entirely new meaning to the word 'pointless': spending a lot of time every day on a public forum stating that you don't give 'a shyt' about other people's opinions!
Well done! ;-)
LOL!
Oh great source of The Truth(tm), thou hath giveth an entirely new meaning to the word 'pointless': spending a lot of time every day on a public forum stating that you don't give 'a shyt' about other people's opinions!
Well done! ;-)
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Re: It has to do with what you said
At least you can write a decent article on something you haven't already developed an opinion on. Makes you good for something. But this is the last time I will waste my time trying to discuss something with you. No loss to you no doubt.
Ride Carefully folks - They're out there
At least you can write a decent article on something you haven't already developed an opinion on. Makes you good for something. But this is the last time I will waste my time trying to discuss something with you. No loss to you no doubt.
Ride Carefully folks - They're out there
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Re: Racing Triumphs?
Some people have a better eye than others. To see this one from any angle is far different from the Oriental bikes. It may have similar overall proportions, but none of the others are anywhere near as edgy as this one (except the ZX-RR) behind the bars.
The D600 is also styled a little bulkier than the others especially around the back of the bike. And aside from the latest lot from Kawasaki and Yamaha, most of the Oriental 600's have had extenisve graphics on the fairings, whereas Triumph has tended to (in my memory at least) stick with pretty clean graphics, usually just the designation of the bike. The 636 was probably the first of the Orients to go the clean look, and the bike looks nice as a result.
Mind you, I can't fault any of the latest 600 offerings for looks, aside from the Daytona. It is great from front on, but once I start looking past the upper fairing, I do not like the look of the amount of edges on it.
Ride Carefully folks - They're out there
Some people have a better eye than others. To see this one from any angle is far different from the Oriental bikes. It may have similar overall proportions, but none of the others are anywhere near as edgy as this one (except the ZX-RR) behind the bars.
The D600 is also styled a little bulkier than the others especially around the back of the bike. And aside from the latest lot from Kawasaki and Yamaha, most of the Oriental 600's have had extenisve graphics on the fairings, whereas Triumph has tended to (in my memory at least) stick with pretty clean graphics, usually just the designation of the bike. The 636 was probably the first of the Orients to go the clean look, and the bike looks nice as a result.
Mind you, I can't fault any of the latest 600 offerings for looks, aside from the Daytona. It is great from front on, but once I start looking past the upper fairing, I do not like the look of the amount of edges on it.
Ride Carefully folks - They're out there
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As an avid Triumph fan I couldn't be more excited about this bike. It looks great in the flesh as stated in the article. It does make me chuckle when people accuse it of being a bad copy of some other manufacturer. I guess some people are just that way.
Re: Making motorcycles is not rocket science: maybe to Harley and US management it is
Committed has two t's. Even engines are easy to do. The tough part is testing to make sure it integrates well. MBA's tend not to have enough processing power (like the French Sagem) to create their own thoughts about right-wrong, good-bad, etc....
Committed has two t's. Even engines are easy to do. The tough part is testing to make sure it integrates well. MBA's tend not to have enough processing power (like the French Sagem) to create their own thoughts about right-wrong, good-bad, etc....
Re: Paint it how you want.
If every bike maker said, "why bother making one", I guess there would be only one brand of 600cc bike, one brand of 750cc, one brand of 1000cc, etc. The bike market is full of many different types of riders and BUYERS. I assume YOU haven't ridden the Daytona, only looked at the spec sheets and reviews, so any opinon is very subjective. Unless you're going racing, who cares if it's a couple of HP down, a couple of pounds up? Speaking of HP, I must have missed to dyno comparing the "big" four and the Daytona. I guess until that comes around, we can only guess.
To repeat to old adage, "If you don't like the bike, don't buy it. If you think you can build a better one, build it." That's how Triumph started!
Anyway, it's a STREET bike, and a damn fine one it sounds like. I currently own 2 Triumphs, Tiger and Speed Four. Both are excellent street bikes. Don't give a damn about having more or less HP or weight than anyone else. At least Triumph is trying to add some variety to the market!
The one point about Johnny Squidly buying from the spec sheet is sad, but true. But the infant mortality rate there is fairly high, and as they mature, they begin to look at Triumph, Ducati, Aprilia, as well as the "big" four. Why? I don't really know, maybe for something unique, different? Seems like spec sheets become less important, and riding skill becomes more important as most riders mature. A friend of mine has a shop that sells Triumph and Ducati, and I'm there part time, and I do see it happen. Man am I rambling! Anyway, the challange was "you aren't buying one". Well, don't bet against it!
If every bike maker said, "why bother making one", I guess there would be only one brand of 600cc bike, one brand of 750cc, one brand of 1000cc, etc. The bike market is full of many different types of riders and BUYERS. I assume YOU haven't ridden the Daytona, only looked at the spec sheets and reviews, so any opinon is very subjective. Unless you're going racing, who cares if it's a couple of HP down, a couple of pounds up? Speaking of HP, I must have missed to dyno comparing the "big" four and the Daytona. I guess until that comes around, we can only guess.
To repeat to old adage, "If you don't like the bike, don't buy it. If you think you can build a better one, build it." That's how Triumph started!
Anyway, it's a STREET bike, and a damn fine one it sounds like. I currently own 2 Triumphs, Tiger and Speed Four. Both are excellent street bikes. Don't give a damn about having more or less HP or weight than anyone else. At least Triumph is trying to add some variety to the market!
The one point about Johnny Squidly buying from the spec sheet is sad, but true. But the infant mortality rate there is fairly high, and as they mature, they begin to look at Triumph, Ducati, Aprilia, as well as the "big" four. Why? I don't really know, maybe for something unique, different? Seems like spec sheets become less important, and riding skill becomes more important as most riders mature. A friend of mine has a shop that sells Triumph and Ducati, and I'm there part time, and I do see it happen. Man am I rambling! Anyway, the challange was "you aren't buying one". Well, don't bet against it!
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