[pplassm]

I understand there is a trick that will disable the ABS. There's a youtube video about it. IIRC, it was pretty simple.

 

[Kevin_Duke]

I'd be careful about borrowing performance figures from the MCN test. I saw the numbers and they are suspect at best. There was an article in a Dutch magazine that showed the Tenere out outperforming the GS in most every performance category, including roll-on performance.

So MCN's #s are automatically suspect bcuz another mag says something else? Couldn't the unnamed Dutch mag's #s be suspect?

Anyway, the dyno numbers are fairly close to MCN's, with a 9-hp advantage to the Beemer, so that's consistent enough.

A clue to a difference is the weights of the Dutch bikes, with the GS scaling in 30-some-lbs heavier - this and the "GSA" designation (and the price) indicates the GS Adventure model was used, not the standard GS. A GSA's taller suspension and heavier weight would definitely hurt the 0-100kph time, and also its top speed.

And maybe the Dutch forgot to shut off off the GSA's TC!

So, apples and oranges. Or at least nothing conclusive. But thanks for the data - more info is better!

 

[Kevin_Duke]

I understand there is a trick that will disable the ABS. There's a youtube video about it. IIRC, it was pretty simple.

Go, Mongo! I checked out The Google and found the trick. Just put the Tenere on its centerstand and run the bike in gear for a bit. This creates an error for the ABS system, so it shuts itself off! An ABS error code light illuminates on the instruments, and a rider is now free to lock up and slide the back tire with impunity!

Apparently this internet thing is good for more than just porn.

 

[Morbo the Destroyer]

The concern about HP and speeds kinda points to the real mission of these bikes: pavement. Who needs 140 hp in loose gravel or sand?

 

[Duken4evr]

I still prefer a Triumph Tiger over either the BMW or the new Yamaha. More power, cool sound, costs less.

I don't see much press anymore on the redesigned Tiger. I guess it is unchanged, but it did not make that big a splash when it first arrived. Damn near bought one instead of my FZ1, but the FZ was 5K cheaper (on sale). Maybe next time

 

[acecycleins]

Ok, I've been putting thought into this for a week. If you have the 2006 955i Tiger vs this bike- which one?
I keep thinking Tiger here. Power, weight and the triple. I like the Super 10, but maybe they have to eek through a season or two and refine it.
But I sure like the new Tiger 800xc. What's the price of that thing going to be again?

 

[Kevin_Duke]

Ok, I've been putting thought into this for a week. If you have the 2006 955i Tiger vs this bike- which one?
I keep thinking Tiger here. Power, weight and the triple.

The Tenere's suspension is vastly superior to the old Tiger's, and its engine puts down power better than the Trumpet's. The Tiger is off-road capable; the Tenere is off-road eager.

 

[Duken4evr]

Where does the big KTM fit in all this? Those things rock off road.

We need a comparo test, with shots depicting off road mayhem in jaw dropping pretty places. I will happy to be a guest tester and provide the trails.

My standard issue jaw dropping pretty place off road photo, for your perusal. 12,000 feet high on top of Red Cone. Hmm. Picture the boys up here on their big GS bikes. It would be some work to get a big bike up there, but if were not my machine I was beating the crap out of, I could do it

 

[The_AirHawk]

Where does the big KTM fit in all this? Those things rock off road.

We need a comparo test, with shots depicting off road mayhem in jaw dropping pretty places. I will happy to be a guest tester and provide the trails.

My standard issue jaw dropping pretty place off road photo, for your perusal. 12,000 feet high on top of Red Cone. Hmm. Picture the boys up here on their big GS bikes. It would be some work to get a big bike up there, but if were not my machine I was beating the crap out of, I could do it

What's all that "white stuff" on the ground - sugar-sand?

 

[Kevin_Duke]

Where does the big KTM fit in all this? Those things rock off road.

We need a comparo test, with shots depicting off road mayhem in jaw dropping pretty places. I will happy to be a guest tester and provide the trails.

That's a good question. The KTM would fare very well off-road, but it would suffer a bit in street and highway comfort. I'd love to do this comparo, but KTM has a limited budget in the U.S. and often can't supply us with test bikes. But with the Tenere no arriving till spring, maybe we coiuld snag a Katoom by then...

 

[Doktor]

You guys hosed the math on the 270 degree crankshaft config. Either Cylinder #2 fires 270 degrees after Cyl #1 or 630 degrees later (270 + 360 or one crankshaft revolution)

With a 270 degree crank parallel twin, there's just isn't anyway to get piston #2 at TDC 180 degrees after piston #1, well, unless you have serious problems.

 

[Kevin_Duke]

You guys hosed the math on the 270 degree crankshaft config. Either Cylinder #2 fires 270 degrees after Cyl #1 or 630 degrees later (270 + 360 or one crankshaft revolution)

With a 270 degree crank parallel twin, there's just isn't anyway to get piston #2 at TDC 180 degrees after piston #1, well, unless you have serious problems.

Good eye, Dok! You win some sort of (figurative) prize!

I finally got confirmation from Yamaha about this. I misread their Powerpoint presentation, mistaking "firing order" for "firing intervals." Here is the revised text you'll see when my tech guys can get to it:

It uses a 270-degree crankpin offset, which has cylinder 2 firing 270 degrees after cylinder 1, then cylinder 1 firing again 450 degrees later. This uneven firing order is said to improve a tire's grip on slippery surfaces and also has the side benefit of creating an exhaust note very similar to that of a V-Twin.

Thanks for the edit, and sorry about the slip-up!