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Re: A Buell Crusier? Hey! It could Happen, if I had my way.

Not a bad idea, but it conflicts too much with Harley's product strategy.

A high percentage of existing Bueller's would rather see Erik come up with a decent two-up sport tourer, a super motard, a dual purpose bike and perhaps a StreetTracker.

All of which are much more in line with the market niches that separate Buell from Harley.
 

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Re: A Buell Crusier? Hey! It could Happen, if I had my way.

The Buell is already a good cross between a cruiser and a sportbike. It has the handling and cornering clearance of a naked bike and the V-twin character of a cruiser.

The last thing we need is another block-long bike that has to tiptoe around corners.
 

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Re: A Buell Crusier? Hey! It could Happen, if I had my way.

Believe it or not, I was thumbing through some cruiser oriented magazine at the gym the other day, and they built that very bike.

The only difference is they kept the stock 1200 engine.
 

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Re: A Buell Crusier? Hey! It could Happen, if I had my way.

As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I want. I think a Buell-framed, V-Rod powered, Sportster-type bike would be a really good idea.

Wait! Before I go any further, let me say, right from the Get-Go that I already know this is a pipe dream. Now, that’s been said, I’ll continue to put the noose around my neck, so you guys can kick the chair out from under me…No need to thank me; after all, what are friends for. Now, here’s the deal…

Harley is reluctant to innovate because of its fear of alienating their customer base. Buell, on the other hand, as a separate division of Harley, isn’t nearly as hide-bound to tradition, and is much freer to try new ideas. Now, let’s face it, the Harley gravy-train isn’t going to last forever. The way I see it, Harley will probably getting pretty close to market-saturation, in the not too distant future. Once that happens, Harley’s going to need to innovate. And, I think, the only way Harley will be able to innovate, without alienating their existing customers, would be to create more advanced designs at Buell. Then, having established those designs at Buell, Harley could adopt those designs, and rightfully claim them as their own. Hence, a Buell cruiser.

Now, here’s where it gets good. Once Buell becomes an integral part of Harley’s design strategy, Erik Buell would be given more autonomy, and possibly be able to create a REAL sportbike.
 

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Re: A Buell Crusier? Hey! It could Happen, if I had my way.

I believe Harley produces the bikes they do because they know they will sell. Fear of alienating anyone is not the issue. Sinking millions into a design that doesn't sell is the issue. Harley already makes the Sportster line, which is 90% of what you want. A Buell framed V-Rod is not even remotely possible, when you look at the motor designs. I think Harley has it's customers pegged pretty well. Some people here pine for a Harley sportbike. Why? So it can be slower, heavier and more expensive than a Japanese equivelant? If they produced said sportbike, the traditional Japanese sportbike buyer would laugh at it, and the traditional Harley buyer would scoff at it. A perfect waste of money. Ask Triumph how thier world beater 600 sold. Now, if Harley would put that V-Rod motor in a touring platform, it would certainly get my attention. I have seen many Photoshop chop jobs of a Road King with a V-Rod motor. I have a feeling that we will soon see that design coming much sooner than another cruiser type effort with the V-Rod. Tell me how Erik can create a REAL sportbike? What is the criteria for a REAL sportbike anyway? People always talk about them, but I never figured out what the specifications were for a REAL sportbike.
 

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Re: A Buell Crusier? Hey! It could Happen, if I had my way.

I thought that a sportbike was simply a bike designed primarily for sport style riding.

Maybe there's some new defintion that the power ranger crowd has come up with.
 

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Longride and serusawa's Points well taken...

Though, you’re points are valid, and understood, I am considering several things.

In the future, Harley’s popularity may begin to plateau, along with sales and profits. While a certain market-segment will always continue to remain loyal, growth will be hard to maintain, as the motorcycle landscape diversifies and younger people move up into the Harley-demographic. And, It’s going to take a balancing act to keep both of these groups happy. Positioning Buell, as Harley’s innovative R&D subsidiary, would allow forward thinking designs to be brought into play for, younger customers, while not pi$$ing off the older ones.

As for Buell, while I don’t see them as ever building a Dresser, I do think, that if they mellowed out the geomitry and added some aminities, they could they could create a very nice sport-touring package, using their frame, and pave the way for Harley to introduce, said, frame into its line up.

As for me, I'm not much of a cruiser guy but, from a visual point of view, I think a Harley cruiser would look very cool...
 

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I have heard...

This is just rumor mill since it's second hand but...

I have heard that there are three water cooled V-Twin XB Buell test mules with a new longer swing arm running around one of the commonly used H-D test tracks.

Supposedly it's an all new water cooled from the ground up designed 1,000cc 90° V-Twin using a redesigned XB bike.

Could be interesting...
 

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Re: A Buell Crusier? Hey! It could Happen, if I had my way.

And, by the way, I'm not NUTS!

I took a MMPI test, a while ago, and it came back Eccentric. In other words, I'm crazy by choice, rather than by pathology. So, THERE!
 

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Re:Sorry..I think you're nut too.

The bike you're describing is the new 1200 Sportster. Throw some bags and a windshield on that and you have a light weight touring bike.

My opinion is that they should call the XB1200 Lightning and Firebolt an XLH and XLCH Sportster and call the current 1200 a Harley Roadster and do away with the Buell brand all together.

As LR stated, the future for Harley is the V-Rod in place of the twin cam engine in all models except the Heretige Softtail. That will take a mental paradigm shift for The Faithfull, but after riding a modern hi-po VRod engine equipped bike, wrapped in an excellent Harley touring platform they might come around.

The biggest challange IMO is the perception that a Sportster is a girls or beginners bike by a lot of HD RUB's, when in fact it's more bike than most of them could handle with their kpail like two years of experiance, including a 150 mile weekend here and there.
 

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Re: I have heard...

Hey gb.... I was on a group ride a couple weeks ago & talked to one of yer fellow XB12 Buellistas who ponied up the $$$ to Nallin Racing for the full stage 3 treatment. his bike dynoed at 120 hp and 100 ft/lbs of torque to the rear wheel
 
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