Motorcycle Forums banner
1 - 6 of 43 Posts

· Registered
Joined
·
203 Posts
As someone who has owned two of these bikes (The Tiger and currently the GS) I can say that these are great bikes. The engine in the Tiger almost feels like a sportsbike with the top end rush and the handling on the latest one felt greatly improved when I test rode one. Also, if you shop around there are deals to be had.



As for the GS.. It is very expensive, but it's the best bike I've every owned. Yes the engine's about 5hp down on the other two, but the torque is there across the whole rev range. However, it's only when I'm playing 'straight racing' that I notice it. (The Tiger IS better at this). I might end up taking off the cat and claiming back those 10 odd horses.



On the other hand the comments about 6th gear are wrong. It's a freeway gear and is great for covering distance. It really smooths things out.



Going onto suspension, this type of bike dives a lot under braking. It's the weakest point about them. The GS doesn't. At all. If you're going to carry a passenger, this is the only bike to get. Otherwise you'll be playing helmet bats with your passenger every time you touch the brakes.



When I first test rode the GS, it was the suspension that got to me immediately. It's so planted and secure. This bike loves the twisties. It even stays planted through sweepers, within reason. (It'll wallow some going through 100mph+ sweepers, but that's not why you buy the bike)



Cutting to the chase. I want a bike that CAN:

1. do 500+ mile days easily.

2. canyon carve up the twisties when I get there or even better - on the way there..

3. can go offroad enough to get me there: a. and won't break when I crash it. b. and I can pick it up myself

4. can be loaded up without noticing.

5. can have a passenger along without killing the fun: a. for me. b. or her.

6. doesn't need any maintenance while I'm doing it. a. no chains to oil every day b. see a.



The GS does all of this easily except 3b, and I've recently found out how to do that one too.. even works in mud.



As for the Aprilia.. I've never ridden one but it looks like a touring bike rather than an adventure touring bike to me. I wouldn't take that off road 'cos I don't think it would bounce. All that plastic and underdamped suspension would be a liability on a bike weighing over 200kgs.



From experience, the Tiger bounces okay-ish. It got me home every time, but needed repairing. Nothing expensive , but I never threw it down the path at more than 20mph.



The GS, however, has currently been dumped 5 times. (once on tarmac - brand new - did'nt put the side stand down - jerk. Twice on mud - my advice is don't ride any of these bikes in the mud unless you really have to. Twice dropped on forrest roads, getting thrown by quad ruts, both times above 40mph) No problem getting home - there is no damage, except a slight roughness to the lower edge of the plastic cylinder head protectors.



These are great bikes. You'll love any one of them if you want to travel at speed and in comfort, anywhere you want to go. My advice. The Aprilia if you want a more stylish touring bike. The Triumph if you want more go over shorter distances. The BMW if you're going to keep the bike for more than two years and if you want to really go anywhere..





PS. For other GS riders. "How to pick it up in the mud on your own": Turn the handlebars away from you so the front is pointing skywards. Grab the lower handlebar with both hands and heave. (Yes, mom. From the knees.) The bars won't bend and the bike won't roll away from you until it's up, (or at all, depending on how deep the mud is) The first time I dumped the GS into the sticky, I didn't know this and it took an hour and a sore back to get it out.....
 

· Registered
Joined
·
203 Posts
The funny thing is these bike are broadly modelled on the Paris-Dakar desert racers. Although the GS is raced, the desert version looks nothing like the road version (or vice versa). The KTM is going to be the only one that looks like it should!!
 

· Registered
Joined
·
203 Posts
If you read my message again, you'll find that I HAVE taken my GS places my old CBR1000 could definitely not have gone (desert sand, snow, mud, mountain trails) and have dropped the bike several times without damage.



I wouldn't say that the bike is good on loose surfaces, but it can do it. And that's the point. The bike can take me where I want to go on road, and then with a bit of effort, can take me a lot further. Sure, it's not a pure dirt bike, but who wants to ride a dirt bike 500+ miles a day on tarmac.



For me, the Tiger WAS too much a touring bike and the Aprilia is a road bike only. Still nice bikes though. However, the BMW has been an amazing bike.



PS. Below 100mph, the BMW handles MUCH better on normal roads than the CBR ever did.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
203 Posts
Funnily enough, even though I'm disagreeing with you, I am also agreeing with you. These bikes are not good offroad compared with an offroad bike. And you'll notice I said that I hadn't enjoyed the mud AT ALL, especially on 'looks like offroad' standard tires.



However, neither are they a waste of time. I find my GS a bit slow and heavy, but a lot of fun apart from that. And for what I use it for it's ideal. Living on the west coast of the US in LA, it's a long way to the Sierra's up north and a long drag through Arizona or Nevada to the east. I could do this on a KTM Adventuror or another 600 single. It would even be fun. And when I got to were-ever I was going offroad, these bikes would be much better at it.



However, with my GS I can roll long at a fair enough speed (that I don't want any more tickets, thank you officer), with great handling in the corners (when there are any) in great comfort for me (and another if she comes) and zap out 5, 6, 700 miles. And my knobbly tires are not completely destroyed by the combination of speed and desert heat on tarmac. And the bike is able to do what I ask of it, and some. (except mud)



Yes, it's too heavy. Yes, it's not a great compromise as an offroader. Yes it could be better. But it really is more than the sum of it's parts and if you ignore how much you paid of it, then you can really force it to do some fun things. (I take the attitude, the thing cost $14,500, so it bloody well should be able to go up that hill / through that mud / desert. And almost always, it does)



So I guess the only thing I am disagreeing with you on is your contention that Paris Dakar lookalikes are a useless class of bike. For those of us that fit them and want that usage... they're a great, great, tourer+.



BTW. I suspect the two cylinder KTM coming out next year is going to be much nearer to what you want. I'm certainly going to be taking a long hard look at it.



Hey, I'm not complaining. I'm 38 now and I haven't had a bike yet that I haven't had loads and loads of fun on.. including a 50cc trail bike I hired and toured Greece on in 1982. (me 6'4".. it, about 2ft tall. Max speed 35mph, down a hill, with a following wind. Much uphill and you were paddling.)



Happy trails, mate. #:eek:)
 

· Registered
Joined
·
203 Posts
On Mulholand Road in LA, when it gets really twisty, I dropped a couple of mates. One on a GSXR 750, the other on a Speed Triple. I didn;t realise I'd done it and wasn;t trying to, one of them was mightily pissed of to be dropped by a "******* tourer".



#:eek:)
 
1 - 6 of 43 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top