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Normally I stay out of the HD bashing but I have to agree it is pretty sad when you are so far behind you have to have your own race series. Who else could get away with this? I like Harleys (and really like Buells) but it seems like the most of the people who own them are people who only care about image and being able to say they ride a Harley. I wonder if they take all the signs down that show what year it is and the ETs other bikes run at these races, that way they could keep the illusion that they were not a bunch of losers who are living in a fantasy world.



What is really funny is when the HD folks act like everybody else is wrong, like they feel sorry for people who can't afford a Harley. I guess they are the motorcycle version of the flat earth society. "I bought a Harley, joined HOG and now I have a bunch of phony friends to go with my phony biker act". Yup, I'll bet the guy on the 996 SPS, Goldwing, K1200LT or whatever is just dying because he (or she) "couldn't afford" a Harley. And besides that we don't get to dress up like prostitutes, meth dealers and common thugs, O the pain!



 

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Sorry, Rod. My comments are based on meeting the people that ride Harleys and the people who don't ride Harley but listen to the one who do.



I don't give a sh*t what you ride or why, I am very tired of holier than thou morons on Harleys ruining motorcycling. How many places will have to be closed to all motorcycles before you brain damaged wana be tough guys figure out loud pipes don't saves lives, they close roads? I'm sorry if idiots dressing up like criminals in order to build up their self esteem offends me, I'm just sensitive that way. Is it just me who thinks making icons out of dirty, sleazy criminals is offensive? I don't care how fast you ride, Kenny Roberts (Jr. or Sr.) or Jeremy McGrath is a lot better person to emulate than a felon who makes his living pimping his wife and selling speed.



And, if you are wondering, yes I know (actualy knew in the past) members of motorcycle gangs, I am speaking form personal knowledge. They are not people who should be admired or emulated.
 

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As usual, you miss the point. I know some of those fine people you talk about that ride Harleys. I don't object to doctor's on Harleys, I don't even have a big problem with the real bad *ss Harley guys. Doctors dressed up is silly outfits trying to look like the bad *ss are silly and sad.



Here's quick test: Do you wear chaps and a vest? You are playing dress up like a 6 year old. Chaps do a wonderful job of protecting a horse rider's legs from brush, that is what they were invented to do. Chaps do nothing on a bike a pair of leather or synthetic pants wouldn't do better. A vest server just about no purpose, a tee shirt provides nearly as much protection and is much cooler.



You are absolutely right about Harleys not being the only ones causing a problems, heck they probably only cause 90% of the problems. When I lived in the city I seldom heard sport bikes but not being able to talk in my own living room for 30 seconds while a bunch "Heck's Accountants" sat a red light and amused themselves but playing with their throttles happened constantly on Friday night, Saturday or Sunday. Since everyone who knows me know I am a life long rider I am the one stuck trying to explain to non-riding friends that no, all bikes are not obnoxiously loud and no, there is no reason for them to do that, they are just jerks. Do you have any idea how much that p*sses non-riders off?



BTW, I am in no way defending that moronic video, if I was the cop he would have gotten a ride to jail and had to explain to Suzuki what they can't have the bike back, it would be in impound. I follow the advice I got from a cop years ago (while getting a ticket for being nearly as stupid as Minime) "I don't care if you do that stuff, just go out T___ F___ road where you won't hurt anybody but yourself.



Finally, I don't know much about Power Rangers but I understand they are good guys. If you can't see the difference between dressing in the safest riding clothing that is currently available and emulating the look of true heroes like KR or Ben Bostrom and wearing an outfit that makes no sense but makes you look like a sleazy you are not paying attention or not very bright.
 

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What does my spelling (now you know why I have a tech writer at work) and the clothing worn by people who have nothing to do with this subject have to do with this conversation?



If I remember correctly this was called "throwing sand in the bull's eyes" in debate. This was what you resorted to if you had no logical attack, you just tried to distract the other debater with unrelated BS and hopped the judges didn't cut your score to much.
 
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