Motorcycle Forums banner
1 - 20 of 21 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
261 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
What happens if you 'move forward' quickly enough while adjusting seating position that you set it off?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
19 Posts
'Airbags on BMWs' - are you talking about the riders or the safety equipment?

Anyway, I've seen the Dainese version and was intruiged. Can this really be effective? Hmmmm...... I think that the new law in (I think Sweden) that will require higher awareness of motorcyclists by first-time auto drivers (tested in real world conditions) will do more for lower injury rates than these bags will. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't disable them if standard equipment on my next bike, but as I was driving to work this morning, I was considering the fact that most serious injury is caused by the guy/gal in the shiny metal box that just 'didn't see ya' if you know what I mean. I also didn't infer any lower body protection from the above release.

just my worthless two cents.......
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3 Posts
Its about time we see more work put into impact protection. Airbags, if executed properly are a great idea. I think one day we'll have systems that will allow people to walk away from accidents that would otherwise be fatal.

I think some other safety features that would be beneficial on bikes would be traction control (ever accelerate on a slippery surface?), crumple zones where the forks attach to the frame, better ABS (it's AMAZING on cars), proximity sensors in cars that prevent you from doing something stupid, etc. etc.

The suit airbags are cool too. If I could buy something that would turn me into the StaPuf marshmallow man in a crash, and it worked reasonably well, I'd buy it for sure.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
15 Posts
Surely you want to get away from the bike ?



Most injuries are caused by the rider interacting with the bike - crushing legs, feet getting caught and sliced off in rear wheels.

This is not like a car - there is no 'safety cage' protecting you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
22 Posts
Is this a joke? If the folks who support and underwrite this kind of research spent more time dealing with the fact that drivers of autos are our biggest problem, we'd be able to laugh at the notion of an airbag on a motorcycle. Nader and Claybrook can chew the corn from my stool, too.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
34 Posts
Having recently crashed thanks to a woman in a Cadillac who could not see motorcycles, you leave the bike rather quickly in my experience...WTF good is an airbag on a bike when you are no longer there to enjoy it? Are seat belts next to keep you in position to enjoy the airbag? This is another case of lets give them something to blow another $1000 on so that the GOVERNMENT feels better about us riding. Lets do something really productive like require bluehairs to retake driving tests and teach drivers how to watch the road and others on it. Major surgey and five months out of my life would have certainly been worth that. A usless airbag? Buy a really good helmet, that's what saves lives.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5 Posts
No. No. No. This is wrong on SO many levels. It's just another system that will be required on bikes, and will be required to be serviced by "certified techs" so that it's purported use will remain effective. That all means the motorcyclist pays more $$ to ride. And what of the software? If it crashes or the sensors go out of whack, the system itself could be a hazard, not a help.

Meanwhile, the cage-drivers are still clobbering bikes they didn't see, and people will be getting into WORSE injuries because they stayed ON the bike, or in general proximity, and got slammed around in the ensuing mess.

If someone's going to pour research into this sort of 'safety equipment", better to look into parachutes and ejection-style seats. The road isn't at all forgiving, but at least she's predictable.

Keep it real! Invest money in driver education, more stringent skill and vision tests for drivers, and laws that make criminal vehicular assault charges applicable to car vs motorcycle accidents. We all train and practice how to get out of trouble. Time for the car drivers to train and practice how to STAY out of trouble.

Systems such as this only exist to make the mechanics, the politicians, and the insurance companies happy. And yes, Ralph Nader can kiss my kabootie on this too. HE doesn't ride, therefore has no effin clue. [rant mode cancel]
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
238 Posts
You Took My Rant

Well, just when I felt a rant coming on, somebody has the same rant...

Airbags in a suit are a fine idea. I would happily buy a suit with an airbag to supplement the armor and full face helmet that I already wear every day.

Airbags on a bike are just plain stupid. The last place I want to be is trapped on a bike as it cartwheels across the next quarter mile. Think about the idiotic leg protectors that got shot down in Britian. OK, you get fewer leg injuries but a LOT more head and neck injuries. Which would YOU prefer? I will keep my head and neck, thanks.

Wearing a seat belt in a cage makes sense- you are in a CAGE! Weight and complexit are enemies of motorcycle maneuverability.

I can't even tell you how many times I have escaped accidents by swerving, accelerating, braking, or some combination of the three. Tell me how an airbag would help that! What would an airbag do as you flew over the handlebars, except maybe throw you further?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6 Posts
Bottom line is found in a behavioural rule: the more we are assisted the less competent we are.

German gregarism tends to refuse the individual any prerogative and tends to satisfy itself with systems. The human being is weak, doctrine is strong. Accesorily, technology BBB helps the German to sell overpriced products, which sell onlmy because socially frustrated and economically less potent overpay used vehicles which are above their means.

I bet BMW is trying to develop a SYSTEM which will compute and adjust automatically the lean angle on a motorcycle. Final idela is have the bike to ride itself, because a rider is in too great danger. But please, go on buying them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6 Posts
Bottom line is found in a behavioural rule: the more we are assisted, the less competent we become.

German gregarism tends to refuse the individual any prerogative and tends to satisfy itself with systems. "The human being is weak, doctrine is strong". Accesorily, technological BBB helps the German to sell overpriced products, which sell only because socially frustrated and economically less potent overpay used vehicles, which are above their means. This is "vacuum salesmanship".

I bet BMW is trying to develop a SYSTEM which will compute and adjust automatically the lean angle on a motorcycle. Final idela is have the bike to ride itself, because a rider is in too great danger. But please, go on buying them.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10 Posts
Of course, and while we're at it why don't we eliminate all the safety equipment in all of the cars on the road. After all, if someone knows he will likely die in a car crash, then it would logically follow that he would be more attentive, seek more training and generally be a more responsible person. Of course, all these many years later, the families whose loved ones have been saved serious injury and even death by seatbelts may beg to differ.



Come on people...Of course, a key factor in safety for riders is improved driver's ed focusing on seeing motorcycles. But, to rant against R&D that focuses on safety is so off the mark. And, BTW, how does the insurance company benefit from safer vehicles? My insurance carrier gives discounts for airbags and ABS.



Lastly, what does Nader and Claybrooke have to do with this discussion? Particularly since Claybrooke is not even the president of NHTSA
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
85 Posts
"Gladiator-inspired" dashboards of the 50's...

you know the hard steel variety replete with spear-shaped chrome steering wheel hubs, dagger-like metal radio controls, window cranks protruding like battle mauls etc certainly did a lot to make cage drivers careful back then. You got a great idea guy. Let's bring those interiors back! The cellphone zombies cocooned in the padded-cell captains chairs of their mega-SUVs with an airbag pointed at every orifice think they are just plain invicible --and thus don't pay attention to much of ANYthing. They need some danger in the ****pit like we have to face from them on the street everyday!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
230 Posts
I'm not sure that innattentive automobile drivers are the largest risk to motorcyclists. I thought that single vehicle accidents were pretty highly represented in the injury and death columns.

Anyhow, regardless of how accidents are precipitated - either by the rider's misjudgement or inaction, or by other road traffic violating a rider's right of way, the causes of death are pretty much the same: gross trauma. It seems to me that an unobtrusive and effective airbag system would be a huge benefit to the motorcycling community.

The only motorcycling death I have ever seen personally was a bike/SUV head-on collision where the biker was at fault (over the centerline on a right-hander). The rider died due to either a broken neck, or severe tearing of his main internal blood vessels (both happened) when he hit the windshield of the SUV. His full face helmet worked great, but it did nothing to absorb the energy of the collision directed to his neck and trunk. I really believe that if he had a Dainesse air vest like the one in this article, he would have survived.
 
1 - 20 of 21 Posts
Top