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For crying out frickin' loud.....

Maybe you'd like her to to throw herself off the bike at speed so we can truly ascertain the jacket's protective qualities.

Buying a jacket is a 95% subjective decision. Any given jacket (or pants or gloves or boots for that matter) is going to fit any given person differently. I thought the review was fine, considering that any comments about the way that the jacket fits a slim, 115lb (sorry if I'm off here Danielle, this is a complete guess) woman have virtually no relevance to the way that it fits a 190lb man. You want to know how it fits? Go try one on.
 

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Wow, is this Ted Kaczinskis long lost brother or what. Some points are great but does this guy do Pr. for Vanson or Z or what. Last time I went on a group ride I saw jeans but no shorts, tank tops or flip flops. As far as the quality of Alpinestars hey, I've been pleased with the gloves and boots I've used. No they aren't up to the quality of frey datona and dainese but hey, I ride a GSXR tuned for street, not a NSR500. If you race buy the best protection possible and then bick a bike/class to fit your remaining budget because serious racing is a commitment to crashing. THe rest of us, are probably reasonably well served by off the rack leathers, sure they don't fit perfectly but hey, I'm not headed out to explore the fine line between maximum performance and a highside.

In the mean time heres a piece of kit that is functional and also quite stylish of the bike... THis way we won't all look like power rangers.

Last point, keep the women coming, not as eye candy but as a part of our community. I wish 50 percent of the riders I see were women....





 

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Re: screw the jacket

You should really save the money for a lobotomy. It will help your personality a lot. Trust me.

Frankly it's comments like that that make me wish this was moderated. It helps keep down on the trolls, including the registered ones.
 

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Sausage King misses the point

Hey, way to miss the point there. I guess I don't see how asking someone to wear RIDING APPAREL while actually doing some RIDING is asking a whole lot. Especially from a site where one would assume someone has a liscense to do such a thing.

Sure, buying a jacket is subjective. Again, not the point. Fit should most definitely be a part of a review, especially considering the review is of a garment. This site and some magazines go to near anal lengths to describe and a bike's dimensions from the saddle when you can just go out and sit on one but it wouldn't be a complete review without such things would it? Not to mention that it's much easier to just sit on a bike as opposed to tracking down a specific jacket and then finding it in your size in a lot of places.

For all the little things this site includes in every other article(changes in bore and stroke, changes in seat height, peg placement- the last two you'd never notice the way the manufacturers move them at 10ths of an inch from one year to the next), which they claim sets them apart(and which are becoming noticeably absent), you'd think the fit of a jacket while in its intended arena of use would be something they'd think to explore... not mention mind you, because this young lady didn't even have a liscense at the time of this article's conception(does she yet?). For cryin' out loud Abe... quit settling for less than MO's best.
 

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Now see here....

I don't think I missed the point. This is what I am trying to say: what difference does it make whether she rides with the jacket on or not? It is invariably going to fit her differently than me, so while I'll take her comments about fit for what they're worth, I am not going to buy the jacket because of them. I think her lack of analysis of fit while riding, bending over, falling off the bike, doing jumping jacks, etc., is no big deal, since it wouldn't mean much to me anyway. If she HAD ridden a hundred miles with it on, and said the fit was great, would you have gone out and bought it thinking that it would fit you the same way, even though you undoubtedly have a completely different body structure? Maybe there would be a case where I would buy a jacket without trying it on first (i.e. mail order) but I would be prepared to send it back when it didn't fit right.

I think she commented on the style, quality and construction of the jacket nicely, and that's about all you can ask for with a piece of clothing.
 

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How did this get moderated to 2, labeled interesting. If anything it should have been moderated down (too lengthy, too overly critical, etc.)



As the MSF instructor posted in reply, they encourage people to wear "at least" (I added that) jeans. I know many people who have full leathers, or riding suits (stitch) but on occasion opt for a pair of jeans and their riding jacket only. I have been riding for 3 years and only wearing draggin jeans (kevlar jeans) for the last 2 years. I just haven't spent the money on a full riding suit yet.



I can't believe somebody ripped up a good review with a bunch of slams of what this person (or others are wearing). Has this guy never seen the very unprepared squids (shorts, tank-top & flip-flops) riding around? Lighten up man.
 

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Re: FZ-1!!!!

Just a question for MO, did your FZ1 come through a dealer or direct from Yamaha, I have one on order but my dealer hasn't gotten any in and no other dealers in my area have either, I am getting jumpy now that I know they are in the US.
 

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well I guess you have a different definition of

"serious". Motorcycles are obviously just a sport or pastime for you. I've never worn motorcycle pants on the street. I've got nothing against doing so, but the idea that someone wearing jeans on a motorcycle is a "novice" is just ridiculous, and I hate that whole "my other car is a bike" crap. I think people who wear bike gear to "let people know" when they're driving a car are sad posers. I'll wear what I wear depending on where I'm going, because this is real everyday transportation for me, not a toy. Real people who use these things as real tools don't suit up for the track to go get a gallon of milk, and the only time I suit up for the ride to work is a rubber rainsuit in winter. Of course you're safer in a full suit than jeans--so what. Skin grows back, mine did. If I have the choice of grow some new skin every 5 years, or wear full leathers every day, I'm choosing the skin (and skin is free!). It's not like it'll protect you in a REAL accident unless you got some built in airbags... and land in water. I guess it might make a difference how often you figure you'd be putting that suit on, for those of us without cars that'd be pretty often. Oh, and I only wear boots because they fit my feet better. Being she's a beginner I could see a case for boots, but I'd say all she really needs in those pics are gloves, a lid, and a restrained throttle hand (at first).
 

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I was particularly interested in this review, besides the pictures off course, because I too own a similar Dyno jacket and accompanying Alpinestars Bat pants. Even though I don’t look as good as Danielle in them, I found the model, colour (white,black and yellow), and fit near perfect. That’s strange, as I’m 6 foot 6 and I shouldn’t be able to find anything cool that fits me. I can wear it whenever wherever I like, and with the cafe racer feel, I can feel cool doing it.

I have only one comment; you Americans are getting screwed and it’s not that nice variation. I paid $240 for my jacket. I had an alteration made to the pants, it now has Velcro patches for kneesliders (I need those), and in total (that’s including the alteration and the original cost of the pants) I paid $440 for my entire suit.



You need to talk to the company that imports Alpinestars in the USA.





Greetings from the Netherlands (Holland)





Niek Storteboom
 

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Little known secret I'm going to share

http://www.dexdirect.com

Exchange rates are good, and no imported price gouging like you mentioned.

I got my Sidi Vertebra RACE boots there for $244 WITH shipping. Yes, the ones that are $350 in the US without shipping...at the cheapest place.

They are supposed to be taking on several more big name brands soon, including Alpinestar if I remember the email correctly.

Rob Nance
 

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Re: screw the jacket

Guys, The list _is_ moderated. Just set your preferences to +1 or higher and the low scoring comments won't show. Mine's set for minus five, BTW.

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1. I truly appreciate the reviews on MO. I truly appreciate the reviews on MO. I truly appreciate the reviews on MO. So please take the foregoing in a constructive vein.

2. This one was not up to your usual standards; although if you had labelled it as "a jacket for newbies" or something like that it would have represented the story more accurately.

3. The problem with Alpinestars (and many other brands I won't mention) is that the products seem to shrink in size when assembled in the Orient. My Alpinestar SP-1 gloves barely fit around my hand. While this sometimes happens due to an aggressive wrist fit (a safety factor to keep the glove from coming off accidentally in a spill), several other dimensions were also smaller than other products. (For example, the middle finger-to-thumb span hinders movement when the span between those two exceeds about 70 degrees.)

This is not a slam specifically at Alpinestars. My experience is that almost every generic XXL size jacket is too small for me. But, since many vendors of motorcycle clothing just provide a design which is exclusively manufactured in China (or Korea, or the Philippines, or...), they appear to give up control over sizing without too much thought. And since it reduces the offshore manufacturer's costs to use a little less fabric, sizes for some brands are consistently smaller than others.

4. So, may I present a suggestion? Comments on any garment's fit are always subjective, just like comments on riding position and wind buffeting. To address this, Motorcycle Consumer News has a practice of describing the testers who rode the motorcycles. (For the larger tests, anyway.) Part of this includes the testers height and weight. At a minimum, I would suggest that you give the dimensions of the tester and of the jacket. In this way, readers have a better chance of determining if the vendor's sizing is close enough to theirs to justify taking a chance on an online order.

Some dimensions I'd suggest from the tester:

Jacket size

Waist size

Arm length

Chest size (although perhaps an intrusive question for women testers;

I am not asking for Danielle's measurements!)

Shoulder width

Neck size

And from the jacket itself, measured with the jacket laying flat:

Arm length

Shoulder length (seam to seam)

Inside length (base of jacket to armpit)

Waist size (or bottom size for 3/4 and longer length jackets)

Zipper length

It's not as much work as it sounds...and perhaps you might get a tailor to take the measurements. Or ask Bates, they are in the neighborhood...

At any rate, to repeat: I truly appreciate the reviews on MO. I would present these suggestions in the hope of getting a little better sizing information.

Thank you,

Hank Murphy (don't know where my logon went)
 

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Wow, more highly clear and meaningful feedback without flaming MO for trying to do some reviews.



As far as trying to get better info on sizing, it may just be enough to list some of the tester's measurements along with what size they normally wear (for similar product, be it jacket, boot, pants, etc.) and the size that was tested.



Often if I'm trying to figure out what size to buy, and I know somebody that owns that product, that is what I ask them. For example on pants, I asked my friend "What size did you get, and what is your waist size." Then took that information to determine whether their sizing info was accurate.
 

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I agree, Danielle is really skinning (not a bad thing) but I have tried on several large jackets (42 ' in the waist) and they don't fit. My 12 year old newphew couldn't fit in Danielle's jacket! I placed a alpinestars xxl jacket on, and it didn't fit either! They do make a velcro jacket in my size, but I like the leather jackets. I finally got to try a 42 inches leather jacket on, and the waist was to small, and you really needed short arms to fit into this jacket. I feel when the manufacturer makes these sportbike jackets they believe ALL sportbike riders are all short, skinny, and look like Danielle. Great wish full thinking, just not practical. GO TO A MENS SHOP, I have a perfect fitting (made in China) jacket but it doesn't have ALPINESTARS on the back, but it fits perfect!
 

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WOW--what a beautiful young woman, and an aspiring motorcyclist to boot--doesn't get any better than that (except for my Ducati). However, if a man or woman were looking for a leather protective jacket, this review has no usefullness. No meat and potatoes here--just fluff.

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Danielle

---Please, everyone is obviously in love with Danielle. And, (without knowing much about her personality, other than that I assume she is interested in motorcycles, and that most people interested in motorcycles have nice personalities), she is obviously one of the more attractive members of the human species, at least for now.

---Couldn't MCO please feature an interview with Danielle some time soon? Maybe a few more focused photos? You know, just "where do you ride, who's your hero" that kind of stuff.

---One day soon, Danielle won't be available to MCO any more. She will move on to more significant appointments.
 
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