Another Record?
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I was being a bit sarcastic because that "prediction" has been floating around since I bought my first LowRider in '96 ($13,300 msrp) and sold it in 2001 (35,000 miles) for $12,500.
Haters gleefully wait for the "bubble to burst" while conveniently ignoring the fact has more than doubled production in the last 5 years.
Heck, I wish prices would come down. I'd have a couple more in my garage to keep the geezer glide and the duc company.
Haters gleefully wait for the "bubble to burst" while conveniently ignoring the fact has more than doubled production in the last 5 years.
Heck, I wish prices would come down. I'd have a couple more in my garage to keep the geezer glide and the duc company.
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The old nasty Seruzawa would have made some comment about needing a moving target at the range for practice before Elk season.
The NewConvertedInoffensiveSeruzawa says that he won't compete with Buz for the dubious honor of keeping the Wooden Cowboy.
The NewConvertedInoffensiveSeruzawa says that he won't compete with Buz for the dubious honor of keeping the Wooden Cowboy.
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You Rang???
Yes is still true that H-D days are numbered if they don't get more of the younger, minorities, and women to buy their product. Witness minority riders buying sportsbikes. Women buying small metric cruisers. By the way the newest, biggest dealer in Seattle is a Honda Dealer not Harley
Yes is still true that H-D days are numbered if they don't get more of the younger, minorities, and women to buy their product. Witness minority riders buying sportsbikes. Women buying small metric cruisers. By the way the newest, biggest dealer in Seattle is a Honda Dealer not Harley
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So what happened to all the talk of another model getting the Waterhead engine?
It would seem the dressers would really benefit if they had that powerplant.
Maybe, by the time they had a fuel cell that held anything, the bike looked too much like a Boss Hoss.
So what happened to all the talk of another model getting the Waterhead engine?
It would seem the dressers would really benefit if they had that powerplant.
Maybe, by the time they had a fuel cell that held anything, the bike looked too much like a Boss Hoss.
The difference is simple: While all durable goods are products, not all products are durable goods. A software package that a company licenses or sells to another company to enable it to take orders over the Internet is a PRODUCT. But it is not a DURABLE GOOD. Get it? Many of the dotcoms sold products made by other people, while they themselves produced nothing, e.g., eBay. Just like H-D dealers and HDFS. Get it? I don't really think I can make it any simpler for you.
So having a fair number of 2003 models on the floor, discounted(sale priced), having to add the 2 year warranty to move them(that's the plan) and almost continuous ads in the papers to say " it's your last chance to own a piece of history" - means you are having a record quarter, or year.
Harleys on sale below MSRP, who would have thought. I'm in Canada and the sales are averaging $2000 - $4000 below MSRP. And the sales have been going since mid July.
They must sell lots of t-shirts
Harleys on sale below MSRP, who would have thought. I'm in Canada and the sales are averaging $2000 - $4000 below MSRP. And the sales have been going since mid July.
They must sell lots of t-shirts
Re: Another Record? Buy a 57 Chevy and make me happy.
What kind of R&D are you talking about? The completely new engine HD came out with in 1998/99? The constant small, actually functional improvements they make every year?
You must forget that Japanese companies, with the exception of full-on sportbikes and full-on non-80-class MX bikes, don't do that much actual R&D, especially on new engines. Jesus, I mean look how long Honda's been making the XR and Shadow lines without any changes. Both of those lines have been unchanged far longer than any HD model.
What kind of R&D are you talking about? The completely new engine HD came out with in 1998/99? The constant small, actually functional improvements they make every year?
You must forget that Japanese companies, with the exception of full-on sportbikes and full-on non-80-class MX bikes, don't do that much actual R&D, especially on new engines. Jesus, I mean look how long Honda's been making the XR and Shadow lines without any changes. Both of those lines have been unchanged far longer than any HD model.
Now that Harley Davidson has had its fun with its 100th year party and conned yet some more money off its aging customer base, its time for a revolution to take place at the Motor Company. Its time for all the Harley Davidson customers to stand up and declare; "Im mad as hell and Im not going to take it anymore".
Its time for all the Faithful to stand up and demand a motorcycle worthy of your allegiance to the Motor Company.
I have a dream that one day H-D will design a bike that has in excess of 100 HP at the real wheel.
I have a dream that one day H-D will have fully adjustable suspension, tubeless tires and dual front disk brakes as standard equipment.
I have a dream that one day H-D will design fuel injected water cooled V-Twins.
I have a dream that one day H-D will live up to Heroes of Harley and field a road race team that can actually win an AMA Super Bike race, leading 3 times in eight years is not enough.
I have a dream that one day H-D will enter a bike into the Super Sport class.
I have a dream that one day H-D will employ more Motorcycle Design Engineers then they do Attorneys for copy write protection.
I have a dream that one day H-D will introduce a motorcycle and not just another Harley Davidson.
If the Honda can progress from producing its first motorcycle in 1949 to the Motorcycles it produces today the Motor Company can produce motorcycles that all Americas can take proud in, yes I have that dream.
Its time for all the Faithful to stand up and demand a motorcycle worthy of your allegiance to the Motor Company.
I have a dream that one day H-D will design a bike that has in excess of 100 HP at the real wheel.
I have a dream that one day H-D will have fully adjustable suspension, tubeless tires and dual front disk brakes as standard equipment.
I have a dream that one day H-D will design fuel injected water cooled V-Twins.
I have a dream that one day H-D will live up to Heroes of Harley and field a road race team that can actually win an AMA Super Bike race, leading 3 times in eight years is not enough.
I have a dream that one day H-D will enter a bike into the Super Sport class.
I have a dream that one day H-D will employ more Motorcycle Design Engineers then they do Attorneys for copy write protection.
I have a dream that one day H-D will introduce a motorcycle and not just another Harley Davidson.
If the Honda can progress from producing its first motorcycle in 1949 to the Motorcycles it produces today the Motor Company can produce motorcycles that all Americas can take proud in, yes I have that dream.
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I have a dream that those that have never owned a Harley, yet pontificate on how Harley does it all wrong will finally wake up to reality. We buy and own Harleys because we like how they sound, look and appreciate their sound engineering. The day they start sounding and looking like generic, japanese, plastic chrome pieces of shiite is the day that Harley will crumble. Don't hold your breath squid bait.
I have a dream that those that have never owned a Harley, yet pontificate on how Harley does it all wrong will finally wake up to reality. We buy and own Harleys because we like how they sound, look and appreciate their sound engineering. The day they start sounding and looking like generic, japanese, plastic chrome pieces of shiite is the day that Harley will crumble. Don't hold your breath squid bait.
plan of action
Plan of action for the new Harley Sport Bike Rider
A plan of action is needed to make this transformation work; every motorcycle community needs to pitch in to make this work.
The H-D Faithful need to hit the company where it hurts, in the pocket book. Boycott all officially licensed H-D merchandise; the stuffed dolls, dog toys, under wear, bandanas, shoes, jackets, belts, vests and yes even the t-shirts. Hold this boycott until H-D designs and builds Motorcycles worthy of your devotion.
The Sport bike community, I know its been fun blowing by $20,000 shiny custom sleds, but really was it a challenge. Now you will have to mentor the Faithful in how to use all this new power and cornering ability they now posses, once the Motor Company produces a Sport bike, and no Buells dont count as a Sport bike.
Plan of action for the new Harley Sport Bike Rider
A plan of action is needed to make this transformation work; every motorcycle community needs to pitch in to make this work.
The H-D Faithful need to hit the company where it hurts, in the pocket book. Boycott all officially licensed H-D merchandise; the stuffed dolls, dog toys, under wear, bandanas, shoes, jackets, belts, vests and yes even the t-shirts. Hold this boycott until H-D designs and builds Motorcycles worthy of your devotion.
The Sport bike community, I know its been fun blowing by $20,000 shiny custom sleds, but really was it a challenge. Now you will have to mentor the Faithful in how to use all this new power and cornering ability they now posses, once the Motor Company produces a Sport bike, and no Buells dont count as a Sport bike.
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Re: Another Record? Buy a 57 Chevy and make me happy.
Don't be too hard on Cap. Sometimes its hard to resist. I've given in and read a couple of Kook's posts myself today, even though I swore never to again. There is a sort of macabre fascination in observing the ravings of the insane.
It's one of those basic human failings we all have. Like sitting in the theatre all the way through "Gigli" or "The Thin Red Line". You know it sucks real real bad, but somehow you are compelled to sit through the torture to see how it ends. It's the sort of sick compulsion that makes you stand and watch an infommercial with the guy with the question marks on his jacket, even though you know full well you are completely wasting your time.
It's like picking at a scab or worrying a sore tooth. It hurts, but you are compelled to do it anyhow.
Nobody's perfect.
Excuse me, I've got to get home and watch that ad for "Girls Gone Wild" again.
Don't be too hard on Cap. Sometimes its hard to resist. I've given in and read a couple of Kook's posts myself today, even though I swore never to again. There is a sort of macabre fascination in observing the ravings of the insane.
It's one of those basic human failings we all have. Like sitting in the theatre all the way through "Gigli" or "The Thin Red Line". You know it sucks real real bad, but somehow you are compelled to sit through the torture to see how it ends. It's the sort of sick compulsion that makes you stand and watch an infommercial with the guy with the question marks on his jacket, even though you know full well you are completely wasting your time.
It's like picking at a scab or worrying a sore tooth. It hurts, but you are compelled to do it anyhow.
Nobody's perfect.
Excuse me, I've got to get home and watch that ad for "Girls Gone Wild" again.
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