[Abe_Froman]

Re: Anti-Discrimination Heathly Insurance Bill in Senate

"Americans pay enough for their health insurance that they should receive the same coverage and benefits whether they break their arm skiing or from falling down the back stairs."-----Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine)

So, the Lords are able to tell when the Serfs do and do not pay enough for something, and as a result use government power to coerce companies into conducting their business to her satisfaction? Boy this woman must be not only an unequalled economic and actuarial genius but psychic. Up until now I could've sworn that only the free market was truly able to determine when we do and do not pay enough for something.

True freedom has a cost. Unfortunately very few of us are willing to pay it anymore.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Anti-Discrimination Heathly Insurance Bill in Senate

OK, how about they just refuse to insure you? Then they can't tell you what to do.

Health insurance is a voluntary contract subject to predetermined conditions by both the insured and the insurer. Funny how companies that enter into voluntary agreements with consumers are accused of social engineering, yet government can actually do said engineering by force of law and threat of punishment and it is OK.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Anti-Discrimination Heathly Insurance Bill in Senate

Amen.

If more Americans would take the moral high ground into the voting booth we wouldn't have so much to ***** about either.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Too simplistic guys

Other than the plain and bare meaning of the Constitution, no, government does not have a role.

Let's examine exactly what you are saying when you say "goverment has a role". What you really mean is that some people need to be forced to behave in ways that you define as good for them, good for others, or simply to your own satisfaction, even if they're involved in otherwise voluntary transactions and relationships with no 'criminal' behavior, per se. Goverment is, simply, the power to coerce. Your claims of "too simplistic" are a euphemism for "I don't like what they do so government should make them stop".

If health insurance consumers have a legitimate breach of contract grievance then they have the ability to seek redress in the courts, as they should, without needing to pass new laws governing our behavior.

"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." -----Robert Heinlein

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Maybe you should oppose this from the Bush Government

And here comes the name calling.

Those with no valid argument or rebuttal usually resort to such tactics.

As BMW said, principled conservatives such as us have no problem condemning extra-constitutional action by a president or Congress no matter what their party affiliation. Other than his reduction of our unjust, progressive, confiscatory tax rates, Bush has been an near-total dissapointment for those that wish to see a return to a legitimate Constitutional government.

Socialists stumping for god-like government control of all humanity may get what they want over our objections but their political ethos falls apart under any pretense of rational scrutiny.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Too simplistic guys

Given that one of the Democratic Party's major constituents are trial lawyers and their money (taken largely from insurance companies) and given our litigation-addicted populace, any claim that the public is under-represented in the courts is imagination of the most fanciful variety.

Get shafted by an insurance company and you will have no shortage of ambulance chasers knocking down your door for a chance to represent you.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Furthermore..........

Ending Medicare (along with all welfare and social security) would be an excellent start.

It is unfortunate that you do not have enough self-respect to free your mind from the shackles of government power, coersion, and largess. The lengths you will go to to retain your sheep-like mentality are breathtaking. I wouldn't expect you to understand the concept of real human freedom due to your inability to accept the costs associated with it. Clearly the dignity of a truly free human existence is beyond your sphere of comprehension.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."---Benjamin Franklin

"Live Free Or Die; Death Is Not The Worst of Evils."----General John Stark, 1809

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: No time to waste longride.

Why is it you must resort to cries of party favoritism? Not one of us has as of yet secceeded the moral high ground in this discussion.

The Iraq war was unneccessary and unconstitutional. The Patriot Act has desecrated the 5th amendment. Bush hasn't given the Constitution a passing glance in signing endless programs and spending bills. His only redeeming qualities are a few moral stances on social issues and wearing a suit in the Oval Office. There, I said it.

The way to get out of the hole you have dug for yourself is to stop digging and start climbing.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Anti-Discrimination Heathly Insurance Bill in Senate

It's hard to believe I need to point out that the reason insurance companies exist is to make money. The profit motive drives human economics from fur traders to General Motors. Take away the reason to exist (profit) and we'll no longer have an insurance industry to argue about.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: How can the same people who want less government in their lives ...

Are you even reading our posts? I'm starting to think BMW has a point, you are mentally ill. We don't support Bush or the Patriot Act.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Too simplistic guys

To hear KPaul on the job...........

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[Abe_Froman]

Re: How can the same folks who want less government support...

KPaul in action......

http://www.ontargetdesign.com/fries/

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Too simplistic guys

If you would poke your head out from your a** for two seconds you might find that I and others responded on that subject in several seperate posts with no response from you other than actually repeating your accusation of Bush and Republican favoritism. If this has somehow flown over your head then you must truly have an extra chromosome.

 

[Abe_Froman]

Re: Excellent point for Bush lovers

Evidently you didn't pass English because all of them qualified their statements with the assertion that they do not support Bush on his anti-constitutional objectives either (perhaps you are unaware that the Patriot act, campaign finance reform, and potentially the Iraq war are all unconstitutional? Or perhaps you've never read nor heard of this so-called "Constitution"?)

You would do well to read and respond without making blind accusations. Then at least you could come across as a socialist blowhard and not a willfully ignorant mental retard. Try this

http://datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm