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{Kawasaki makes locomotive's too }

No apostrophe should've been used there...
 

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We do. Futura made the most sense for a sport tourer for me and the mrs. after renting an ST1300, FJR1300 (and RT1150) here in Florida last summer.



Futura is plenty fast, produces less residual heat (way important in traffic here, esp in summer), has better seat/pillion, better quality bags and handles more precisely, FWIW (for me anyway, especially after raising the forks 10mm). Overall fit and finish is outstanding, better than expected from a "pasta rocket". Light years ahead of the stuff a decade or two ago.



BTW: Your guys did a jam-up job on the sport tourer review last year; pretty much everything you wrote held true during our evals of bikes.



Sad that the Futura did extremely well in other evaluations, yet can't be marketed successfully. Obviously the Italian price-point is a major stumbling block, especially with the economy of scale that the Japanese have going. Glad to see Ducati getting a clue with the ST3 by providing a more practical entry point of $11 K or so. Hopefully if Aprilia survies the management will be able to adapt to a more accurate reflection of what the market will tolerate.
 

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Re: again the HD faithfull refuse to admit that change is possible

Best thing about the speed triple is that you can get it in the near green to your kaw so all your gear matches. Then again buying new gear is cool to so who really cares...
 

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I hear that Eric doesn't want to go to liquid cooling. Seems the motor company has a strong aversion to competition in general. I guess it would imply that they're not too cool to hang out. ;D
 

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Re: again the HD faithfull refuse to admit that change is possible

Didn't Nissan buy them? I heard that somewhere...
 

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I'm one year away from buying a Millie R Factory.. Why does this always happen to the good guys?
 

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So pissy little mom-and-pop carages can not compete? This is a big surprise to no-one at all.



Look at Aprilia. How many top level engine developers do they have? 5? Does Yamaha have more? No further questions your honor.



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I doubt no-one on this thread would claim the Japanese would not make better quality cars than GM. However, there seem to be many a romantic soul here touchingly believing that the quality of their favorite brand matches the Japanese competition. This is deeply moving really.



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GM's quality is alot better than it was a few years ago, certain models like the Malibu are ahead of most Japanese cars in terms of initial build quality and owner satisfaction
 

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Initial build quality and owner satisfaction are the poorest indicators of quality. These measure "what I got vs. what I was buying for". If the expectations were not top-notch they can be satisfied at reasonably low level.



Real quality can be read from JDPower survey, What Car, statistics of different national car inspection authorities and road service.



My absolute fav is German road service ADAC's statistics what cars of each age group had to be saved from the side of the autobahns. Perennial losers: Dodge Caravan and various Renault models (Megane, Laguna, Scenic). The japs, yep, you guessed where they are.



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Re: Realitiy check for Aprilia. Could Triumph be next??

have a mille- 04-600rr- 002 f41 race bike .

you make A ex. point--- still like to see H>D>

get aprillia
 
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