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Soon, it won't be legal to have ANY vice - even in one's own home.



All in the name of "Public Safety".
 

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I'm hoping that smoking is just outlawed entirely here in the US, creating a new era of speakeasies and a fresh black market. It continues to amaze me that we learned nothing from prohibition but I'll happily accept the opportunity to become stinking rich thanks to lobbyists, corrupt politicians, and the people who want to turn us into a nanny nation.



The next person who says to me, 'think of the children,' is getting punched in the kidney.
 

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It's for our own good. After I turned 18 I was worried about having responsibilities and not having anybody to take care of me and tell me what (not) to do. Luckily the government is ready to be my mommy.



I especially like those "Truth" commercials against smoking. Sure, they lie, but when you lie for people's own good, it's like the truth, right?



I'm carrying an extra 25 pounds. I wish the government would do something about those evil, greedy fast food corporations.
 

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Stuff like this makes me want to buy an older Suzuki sportbike and give it a Lucky Strike paint job.
 

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Just wait until cigarettes are banned. Joe and Mary Middleclass won't be so happy when they get the tax bill.



Cigarettes bring in billions to the govt. The govt is the biggest profit maker from cigarettes (and liquor and gasoline, BTW).... the biggest by orders of magnitude. Just who do you think is going to pay all those taxes?



Heh heh.
 

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Ahhhhh... cigarettes. Where to start?



Harder to kick than heroine, it is now common knowledge that for decades tobacco companies manipulated their product in such a way as to best ensure that their customers are customers for life, however abbreviated that might be, no matter what the economic and health consequences.



This is an industry that's grown phenomenally wealthy by working to suppress any evidence that their products are injurious to our health and, when it became obvious that they were full of s.h.i.t., heavily promoted "light" cigarette's to their addicts as a more healthful alternative. They knew then what is common knowledge today; there is no such thing as a "light" cigarette as a relates to the long-term health effects of the user. But this farce would help ensure that addicts would be less likely to quit and would continue to make cigarette peddlers obscene amounts of money.



These are the folks who have specifically targeted children in their ad campaigns to make sure that there will always be fresh generations of addicts to sell their poison to.



Who, when they realized that their gig is up in developed countries and that sales were certain to decline, stepped up their advertising in third world countries. How could they lose? An ill-informed populace governed by greedy, corrupt azzwipes who line their pockets with bribes proffered up by tobacco companies... no siree, no "nanny state" to worry about there!



In case you're wondering, I applaud Australia's move to kick tobacco advertising money out of motorsports. Big name racers have a tremendous influence on younger fans. The evidence? Simple, really; tobacco companies wouldn't be tossing millions into a sport if they didn't think there would be a bigtime return on investment. They may be evil sonzo'beaches, but they ain't dumb when it comes to making money.



If motorcycle roadracing is as addicted to tobacco company sponsorship as the addicts of the end product are, then there is a need for the sport to chew some Nicorette, do the right thing and quit making deals with the devil. The sport will stand on its own, I am certain.
 

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"Harder to kick than heroine [sic]"

Starting your argument off with such a tremendous load of unmitigated bullsh!t tends to render the remainder of your argument moot.
 

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"Just wait until cigarettes are banned."



They won't be, because...



"Cigarettes bring in billions to the govt."



 

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Yeah. And it makes a great election year issue. That elected crook who's been racking the swag off the top to pay off his buddies and relatives gets to climb up on his moral high horse and wag his finger. Few things are more disgusting than elected officials pretending to be caring and moral.



And the idiots fall for it!
 

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Right. No one knew that cigarettes were harmful. That tobacco company conspiracy fooled everyone (with an IQ lower than 60)!



Everyone has known all along that tobacco is addictive and harmful. Blaming the tobacco companies is just a method of avoiding personal responsibility and then lining up to demand free handouts.



"The sport will stand on its own, I am certain."



Talk is cheap. I doubt that you will lay out any personal financial guarantees to the racers. It's alsways easy to be generous with someone else's monay.
 

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Sounds like you're short maybe a double shot espresso and a large sugar coated, trans-fat laden doughnut. Top that off with a 64 ounce drink of you're choice.



Go pimp that Nicorette stock someplace else or you'll have issues with my dentist.

 

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Cigarette companies pour a disproportionate amount of money into racing (F1, Moto GP, etc.) because they have been banned them from every other major form of advertising (TV, Radio, etc.). As a business, they need to advertise their product and probably have an advertising budget commensurate with their financial peers. They're trying to make the most effective use of that money.



I don't smoke, and I wouldn't want anyone I care about to smoke, but that's their call. Usually I feel like we need to either just make the things illegal or let them run their business already. This level of harassment and exploitive taxation feels dirty. Selling cigarettes is either wrong, or it's not.
 

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Was that a misprint?



Did you mean to say "pubic safety"?



Certainly you've heard of the insidious ad campaigns of the condom industry while trying to pass their product on to consumers as an adjunct for "safe sex".



Latex must be banned.



Could I have just one last peanut butter sandwich before the peanut moratoriam is enacted?
 

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How much older do you mean? I've got a Suzuki T250R that was sporty in its day and came with a Lucky-like paint scheme - kinda green and all. Bad news is that it smokes.



Gotta ban those two strokes, too.



Oops, that's already been done.

 

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Why is this a surprise? You can't run a logo but you can run colours. The funny thing is that this used to happen in the liquor industry from the NASCAR guys. You remember they were just a bunch of bootleggers at one time. Then Crown Royal threw hugh money into the IROC series and the next thing you know liquor advertisers were lining up. This will work for about 2 or 3 seasons then the "gov't" will notice that the taxes aren't being collected at the same rate. After that you'll get the old "We're going to modify our law by allowing advertising only on (in this case) the bike. No billboards or other advertising but the bike is fine." Either way, I don't think that the racers will care.
 

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It must be FOR THE CHILDREN....what else could it be. I suppose that a near total ban on legal ownership of firearms was too. As was the expansion of use of speed cameras - almost to the point of England was too.



Its funny to watch a country go insane from a distance. Not so funny to live thru it.



Now remember: its for the children.
 

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"I'm carrying an extra 25 pounds. I wish the government would do something about those evil, greedy fast food corporations."



They already are. NY is considering banning trans fats in foods, so everyone from McD's to your local hot dog vendor will have to change what they cook with. For the public good. of course.
 

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It's funny, but the dangers of tobacco were well documented as far back as the 1500's, yet the health risks are still a f&cking suprise for some people. Amazing. As with the 'drug war', prostitution laws, and prohibition, we need to prove to ourselves, once again with tobacco, that you will never stop the demand for goods the public wants. Just tax the shyt more and call it a day already!
 
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