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Well, well. What we have here is a brand-new example of that previously common but recently hard-to-find item, the middleweight roadster that can do everything. BMW always used to make them, of course, under the title of R75/5 and before that the R60, but recently they've been kind of hard to find, though Honda's CB500S is pretty good for its size (and looks not unlike this Beemer, don't you think?). Over here in Europe where things are closer together, you rarely get the chance to use more than 80 bhp before you meet something else and have to stop, so this little item seems fine to me. In fact, 80bhp and 200kg is just a touch more than the old K75S used to make, which was just a touch more than the old R100S used to make, and nobody ever thought they were underpowered, did they? No, this one sounds fine to me, and might well turn out to be a sort of modern Norton Interstate if it was done out for touring with luggage and stuff. But just as the advent of the R850R sounded the death-knell of the K75, which was a fine bike, this F800 is going to kill off the R850R, which costs as much to make as the R1150 but has to be sold for less. Which means that if you want an R850, and they're very nice bikes if you want a keeper rather than something to set your hair on fire, then they'll be going cheap very soon.
 

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Amen, brother. I love those/my bikes. I look at new bikes, and I ask myself, "will this make me happier?" The answer is always, "nope."



I am just glad BMW continues to support the airheads with a great supply of parts. At least they appreciate that.

 

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be interesting to see what Yamaha are going to do with their TDM in reply...



so far everyone is taking the ***** - should be looking at around 300lbs for a big vertical twin (compared with the way Jap fours have evolved)



180 degree crank throw vertical twins with gear driven balancer can be relatively smooth, BTW
 

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I've been watching the news/rumors about this one for a couple of months. Seems like a neat bike but, unfortunately, one without a home. It's not going to wow the spec-sheet jocks (although, I understand that BMW is going for big torque) and there are far lower priced alternatives. Maybe a niche bike for BMW-lovers, but that's probably about it.
 

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Obviously you've never ridden a solid mounted I-4 without counterbalancers. My old CB750F was literally impossible to ride at 65mph because the bike felt like a dental drill. My 81 KZ750, even with rubber mounts had vibration problems too.



Also, a 180 degree twin like Honda used to build en masse is an entirely different animal than the 360 degree twin the Brits were so fond of. Some people used to pull those old 650s apart and have the cranks dynamically balanced which made them run much more smoothly.
 

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WHAT? AREYOUNUTS?

Everybody knows that you gotta have 150bhp minimum at the crank to have any fun at all. I've learned that on MO and have realized that all those years I grinned like a maniac on an R5 or a CB900F I was actually miserable. And all that Kamakaze 650 twin my wife and I toured on all over the place in the 70's was completely inadequate, though I never realized it at the time. The spec sheets prove it.

Get with the program.
 

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As a K75s rider, I hope you're right. I've ridden the R1200RT and although it's an awesome machine in every way, it's simply more bike than I need right now and more $$ than I'm willing to spend. I'm glad BMW is building a bike for people like me. I just hope it's not priced too high. I'd guess they'll price it around $10k or so.



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Honda gets more than that for an 800.
 

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oops

never mind, I misread your post.

I meant that Honda gets over 10K dollars for an 800. Of course, Honda only sells 2000 of 'em in the US. BMW would be happy with those numbers.
 

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One without a home? I disagree. I bet there's alot of riders out there that would want BMW technology, comfort, and reliability but who've hesitated due to the high entry price of it's bikes. I think it will be well recieved. I can't wait to ride one.



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If ugly and expensive could equal greatness, this would be the greatest from a "great" company that is well known for "greatness"
 

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The 700cc Royal Enfield Constellations were balanced at the factory and were acceptably smooth. Why the other firms didn't do it I couldn't guess. Couldn't have cost that much more and would have been a huge improvement. The BSAs were the worst, in my experience.
 

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It might find a bigger niche if it were priced around $9k. If it bumps the $12k mark, I don't think it has a very big audience.



Consider the typical buyer of a sporty bike of this size. Then consider the alternatives.



There may be several people who will be really interested in it. I just don't think there will be a reasonably large number. And if it comes in at 12 grand, even most of those people will probably not buy it.



That's still a lot of coin for a motorcycle. And I'm not sure BMW technology, comfort and reliability pays the freight. Other than ABS, this bike doesn't seem to have any outstanding technical features (we'll see). Many people don't even want ABS or at least don't think it's important. Reliability? Are BMWs really any more reliable than the other major manufactuers' bikes? Comfort, maybe, but I'm not sure the typical sport bike buyer is all that concerned about comfort.



So, yeah, we're not really talking about the typical sport bike buyer. Who is the buyer? Where does this bike fit?



Of course some really stellar reviews in the right pubs could help it some.



I'm with you though, I'd like to give one a spin, too. I just don't think I'd buy one at 12 grand.
 

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Here is my take. the $10K Euro price usually includes Euro VAT and other taxes so the price in the USA will be $2-3K less expensive. Still pricey, but at least less than 10K USD. Depending on gearing it will probably run the quarter in the low 12's. It has an HP-to-weight ratio slightly better than a SV650S so not slow but is it worth $2-3k more than the Suzi? Too bad they could'nt squeeze 95 HP out of it, it would make more sense (to us USA spec sheet jockey's, anyway!)
 

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Re: Triumph Rocket III

It's interesting that Triumph came out with the Rocket III in 2005 and is getting ready to begin their second year of production of this bike, and MO has not tested one or even done a riding impression.
 

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I think you're right. Though the pre-isolastic Norton 750s were pretty bad as well.
 
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