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A turbo Hayabusa-engined nekkid bike? Me likey! Probably need a parachute for get-offs...
Boost King, Eat My Dust
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Sounds good, blip. But with the Suzuki Boost King the work is done for you. I think it looks fantastic. I like it much better than several of the concepts previewed as of late. I agree with a post over at motorcyclenews.com that the B-King name has got to go (unless it comes with a free whopper). The Boost King sure stirs up the blood though. Now that I know this kind of bike can be made it kind of makes me feel that the big 4 have only given us the least they could get away with in terms of style and performance. I know that's an unfair shot at the big 4, especially considering the likes of the R-1, GSXR-1000, Hayabusa, etc. But goodness gracious, that B-King stirs me up.
Too Much!!!
I am usually not one to preach what people should or should not be able to ride, and I am not going to start now. For me, this bike is pushing the performance envelope to ludicrus limits. C'mon a naked bike with 200+ HP on tap! Can't wait to read the NHTSA reports after that thing is released!! I personally could not find myself riding anything with more than 130hp for the street. I am interested in the Buell roumor though. I have always liked the Buell models but never considered purchasing one due to reliability issues and lack of HP. Their reliability has been improving and with the addition of a turbocharger should bring the hp up to the 110-120mark. Please keep us informed MO!
I am usually not one to preach what people should or should not be able to ride, and I am not going to start now. For me, this bike is pushing the performance envelope to ludicrus limits. C'mon a naked bike with 200+ HP on tap! Can't wait to read the NHTSA reports after that thing is released!! I personally could not find myself riding anything with more than 130hp for the street. I am interested in the Buell roumor though. I have always liked the Buell models but never considered purchasing one due to reliability issues and lack of HP. Their reliability has been improving and with the addition of a turbocharger should bring the hp up to the 110-120mark. Please keep us informed MO!
200 hp naked bikes
It's not like they don't exist, they just don't sell them at the dealer. But lots of streetfighter guys make their own, and seem to do fine with them. You won't really be seeing this bike in dealerships though. If you want to be that cool, you have to build it.
It's not like they don't exist, they just don't sell them at the dealer. But lots of streetfighter guys make their own, and seem to do fine with them. You won't really be seeing this bike in dealerships though. If you want to be that cool, you have to build it.
IT's SUPERCHARGED! NOT TURBO!!!
It has been reported, depending on the source as turbo or supercharged. MCN said its supercharged and I believe them.
look at the exhaust headers. Unless the turbo charger is way back next to the rear shock and the intake in routed back to the engine from there, this bike can't be turbocharged!
And supercharging isn't a bad thing. Potential for wild numbers like 500hp may be limited, but on motorcycles where smooth progressive throttle is VITAL, the lag free and most importantly linear throttle behaviour of a supercharged engine hold great advantage over a turbocharged one. A supercharged engine behaves as if its larger than it is all the time. A turbocharged one has a transition zone between its "large engine" and "not large engine" behaviour. Contrary to what all the owners of turbo bikes might tell you, that transition zone is hell on precise control of the bike in corners. You can learn to ride around it, yes, you can do anything. but if we are talking about ideal solutions, a 250hp supercharged engine is a far more usable machine than a 320hp turbo charged one.
Also, it must be pointed out masterful tuning of boost and fuel flow (on each engine individually) involving a very powerful ECU can yield brilliant steady state (lots of power) and transitional behaviour (no lag and predictable, linear throttle response) out of a turbo engine. But throw emissions into the mix and you're screwed. At least the manufacturers are. Motorcycles make throttle response and lag control even more difficult by the lack of rotational inertia in the engine. On a car engine, even if the boost comes on with a bang, a heavy crank and heavy flywheel soften its blow. On a motorcycle engine, too much boost suddenly means too much acceleration suddenly. You really want that?
I also want to address another point. I have a ZX-12R, and while mine hasn't been dynoed, most stock 12s dyno around 160hp at the wheel plus or minus 3hp. While most people are looking to get even more, and too much is never enough, I also know that I can rarely ride the thing full throttle unless I start at low rpm in high gear. My point is that whats needed is not more power and more speed. What would be nice is a supercharged 600 like the R6, and then not for peak power but to fill out its low end and bottom end.
I love big bikes because they start building serious power at 4000rpm and go beserk at 8000. If a 600 could get to about 120peak hp at the wheel but with a fat full torque curve (from forced induction), so that its already making 60hp by 4500rpm, and 100 by 9000, that would be perfect.
It has been reported, depending on the source as turbo or supercharged. MCN said its supercharged and I believe them.
look at the exhaust headers. Unless the turbo charger is way back next to the rear shock and the intake in routed back to the engine from there, this bike can't be turbocharged!
And supercharging isn't a bad thing. Potential for wild numbers like 500hp may be limited, but on motorcycles where smooth progressive throttle is VITAL, the lag free and most importantly linear throttle behaviour of a supercharged engine hold great advantage over a turbocharged one. A supercharged engine behaves as if its larger than it is all the time. A turbocharged one has a transition zone between its "large engine" and "not large engine" behaviour. Contrary to what all the owners of turbo bikes might tell you, that transition zone is hell on precise control of the bike in corners. You can learn to ride around it, yes, you can do anything. but if we are talking about ideal solutions, a 250hp supercharged engine is a far more usable machine than a 320hp turbo charged one.
Also, it must be pointed out masterful tuning of boost and fuel flow (on each engine individually) involving a very powerful ECU can yield brilliant steady state (lots of power) and transitional behaviour (no lag and predictable, linear throttle response) out of a turbo engine. But throw emissions into the mix and you're screwed. At least the manufacturers are. Motorcycles make throttle response and lag control even more difficult by the lack of rotational inertia in the engine. On a car engine, even if the boost comes on with a bang, a heavy crank and heavy flywheel soften its blow. On a motorcycle engine, too much boost suddenly means too much acceleration suddenly. You really want that?
I also want to address another point. I have a ZX-12R, and while mine hasn't been dynoed, most stock 12s dyno around 160hp at the wheel plus or minus 3hp. While most people are looking to get even more, and too much is never enough, I also know that I can rarely ride the thing full throttle unless I start at low rpm in high gear. My point is that whats needed is not more power and more speed. What would be nice is a supercharged 600 like the R6, and then not for peak power but to fill out its low end and bottom end.
I love big bikes because they start building serious power at 4000rpm and go beserk at 8000. If a 600 could get to about 120peak hp at the wheel but with a fat full torque curve (from forced induction), so that its already making 60hp by 4500rpm, and 100 by 9000, that would be perfect.
Oh man!!! After the new duc and other ugly ducklings I'd take that concept suzuki with a standard engine in it... thats BEAUTIFUL!!! I want one... I really really want one... C'mon Suzuki! I don't care if you keep the supercharger (turbo or mechanical) just make this bike.
Maybe, to fix the name they could put knobbies on it and call it the Roost King??? ;-P
Maybe, to fix the name they could put knobbies on it and call it the Roost King??? ;-P
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Huevos Grandes!!!!!!!!!
Huevos Grandes!!!!!!!!!
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Nobody who buys a Boost King is primarily concerned with smooth tractability and rideability. They most likely want a bike that goes through rear tires and shoulder sockets like candy. So give them the turbo. Most V-Max owners I've heard from _love_ the sudden V-Boost surge.
Nobody who buys a Boost King is primarily concerned with smooth tractability and rideability. They most likely want a bike that goes through rear tires and shoulder sockets like candy. So give them the turbo. Most V-Max owners I've heard from _love_ the sudden V-Boost surge.
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As a driver of a s/c vehicle, I agree with basically all of your above post, including your belief that a s/c would be more user-friendly on a bike. However, you missed one important point. A supercharger takes power to make power, while a turbo does not (to my knowledge). So you can get away with a s/c on an already-powerful auto engine a lot easier than you could with a relatively weak mc engine, especially in the 600 class. Good idea, but I'm not sure it'd work out in real life. However, a small turbo should give you similar benefits - beefed up low and mid range while not adding much to the top, all with minimal lag.
As a driver of a s/c vehicle, I agree with basically all of your above post, including your belief that a s/c would be more user-friendly on a bike. However, you missed one important point. A supercharger takes power to make power, while a turbo does not (to my knowledge). So you can get away with a s/c on an already-powerful auto engine a lot easier than you could with a relatively weak mc engine, especially in the 600 class. Good idea, but I'm not sure it'd work out in real life. However, a small turbo should give you similar benefits - beefed up low and mid range while not adding much to the top, all with minimal lag.
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The Boost King is a girl's bike. No real man would ride something slow like that. REAL MEN would take two turbocharged Hayabusa engines and turn that bike into a 2600cc V-8. Then it might be fast enough. Barely.
Big Hoss Power Already On Market
I test drove a 350 horsepower Corvette V-8 engined scoot called a Boss Hoss once.
It had a lot more stability over 150 mph than my XX due to its 1100 pound curb weight. It seemed to pull about as strong but was nearly five feet wide and had one forward speed (you slipped the clutch below 20 and it accellerated briskly from idle.) so it wasn't practical for my twisty road home zone.
It could easily out-snoot any Harley, but ownership and use demands more than mere money.
I test drove a 350 horsepower Corvette V-8 engined scoot called a Boss Hoss once.
It had a lot more stability over 150 mph than my XX due to its 1100 pound curb weight. It seemed to pull about as strong but was nearly five feet wide and had one forward speed (you slipped the clutch below 20 and it accellerated briskly from idle.) so it wasn't practical for my twisty road home zone.
It could easily out-snoot any Harley, but ownership and use demands more than mere money.
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This is getting expensive!
Wow... how on earth am I going to afford:
1- Aprillia Blue Marlin
1- Ducati 998-S
1- Suzuki Boost King
I'll just die if I don't have all three. Somebody please save me, wire funds to.....
Wow... how on earth am I going to afford:
1- Aprillia Blue Marlin
1- Ducati 998-S
1- Suzuki Boost King
I'll just die if I don't have all three. Somebody please save me, wire funds to.....
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and so I will agree with you student, I own a VMAX and i DID love the V Boost BUT I have since disconnected it and now it is locked in the open position. (all boost all the time) this givins the max a much better low and mid range and it sounds a bit like a cammed out dragster. I will be at the door with cash in hand when and if they ever release this monster! POWER GOOD!!!!!!! I LIKE!!!!! MORE MORE MORE.....(insert evil laugh)......
and so I will agree with you student, I own a VMAX and i DID love the V Boost BUT I have since disconnected it and now it is locked in the open position. (all boost all the time) this givins the max a much better low and mid range and it sounds a bit like a cammed out dragster. I will be at the door with cash in hand when and if they ever release this monster! POWER GOOD!!!!!!! I LIKE!!!!! MORE MORE MORE.....(insert evil laugh)......
351 is great... for dyno shootouts
I agree with Haru. I have an 1998 R1 that dynoed at 141hp at the rear wheel. At full throttle, it will spin 190 race tires on any of the slicker types of pavement around town. I've thought about the Graves motor kit, but I'm pretty sure that I'd just be paying to get that tire spin everywhere.
I'm sure Suzuki could sell this bike though, since people love having the highest horsepower bike. I can't wait to hear people say "Yeah it's the most powerful bike out there. I've never had it over 5000 rpm."
I agree with Haru. I have an 1998 R1 that dynoed at 141hp at the rear wheel. At full throttle, it will spin 190 race tires on any of the slicker types of pavement around town. I've thought about the Graves motor kit, but I'm pretty sure that I'd just be paying to get that tire spin everywhere.
I'm sure Suzuki could sell this bike though, since people love having the highest horsepower bike. I can't wait to hear people say "Yeah it's the most powerful bike out there. I've never had it over 5000 rpm."
I thought I'd never say this but, I'd trade in my VMAX in a heartbeat for one of these! Ive spent 4 years getting every bit of power and tourque out of Mr. Max and now it all seems a bit worthless.
PLEASE SUZUKI, PLEASE LET US HAVE THIS ONE!
How do I explain this to the Wife? "I know I put all of that $ into the MAX but ...." she'll have to get over it, I will lol. Somehow the MAX just wont be the same ride after seeing this new Suzuki. hohumm, yawn yeah its quick BUT....
PLEASE SUZUKI, PLEASE LET US HAVE THIS ONE!
How do I explain this to the Wife? "I know I put all of that $ into the MAX but ...." she'll have to get over it, I will lol. Somehow the MAX just wont be the same ride after seeing this new Suzuki. hohumm, yawn yeah its quick BUT....
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