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Whatever. I suppose you believe that the Cubans killed Kennedy, that we have an alien spacecraft at Area 51, that a secret society really runs everything, and that republicians want to starve your children. Oh yeah, they also want to kill the planet and destroy the country, but only unions and democrats protect you the little guy. Wake up, NO ONE wants to do any of those things. Different people have different solutions to the same problem. You're a bigot if you hate people because of what vehicle they choose to drive or what political party they choose to vote under. Wow, those liberals sure are accepting and tolerant, unless you want to smoke in public or drive a car they don't approve of. I come here to read about motorcycles. But, you shouldn't care what my political opinion is, cause I sure as heck don't care about yours.



Lastly, if you don't vote, SHUT UP! Your opinion doesn't count for anything. It's moot. Regardless of how political polls there are validating your decision. "I choose not to vote to send a message to Washington."



Yeah the message I'm too darn lazy to get off of the couch and participate. So politicians can give my hard earned away for programs that don't work, or if you believe in the other crap so they continue paying for illegal anal probes, or to steal money from the elderly.





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It might be time to dust off the Bible and do a little reading as you are off on this one! His closest female friend wasn't a prostitute. He had many women who followed him and ministered with and to Him. True ,One of the Mary's was a reformed prostitute, but that is as far as it goes!! The Christian church is correct in the belief that He was opposed to all immorality including public nudity. I hope this was tongue in cheek as you are real close to the line of blasphemy here!! I suggest backing off and doing a little more research!!!
 

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Re: Exhaust gas emissions

Jon:

I think you're missing a step in your calculations. The PID measures ppm (parts per million), which means that a 4600cc Cadillac and an 800cc vfr are held to the same percentage of hc emissions. However, since the vfr puts out 4/23 as much exhaust gas volume as the Cadillac, then the same PID reading for HC gases, taken at the same RPM would mean that the Cadillac would be putting out 23/4 times as much of the pollutant as the bike, if we were measuring the pollutant in absolute terms, not in percentage of the exhaust volume. The absolute figure is important, because it's the number of tons of crap in the air that determines the quality of the atmosphere.

Am I wrong?

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The only thing more profound than the arrogance of the anti-SUV rant is the intellectual vacancy of it. Such posts are a monument to the posit that the world is full of folks who can't tell the difference between the right to have an opinion and the capacity to formulate a worthwhile notion. I love the internet. Anonymity is a cure for the tyranny of competence. No credentials or humility required here. Only the unmitigated nerve to spew venom as if it deserved respect. What's the going rate for your thoughts? Is it what you've been paid for this assault on people who couldn't possibly be your moral inferiors? How is it you find the mote in your brother's eye? Hypothetical: Take five adults, one Saint Bernard, and a hundred pounds of gear on two cross-country trips and regular camping outings. Would your vehicle of choice be a Prius or a Suburban? If we don't buy oil from the Arabs, will that shut down the international market or merely create a buying opportunity for another consumer? The only thing more loony than building castles in the air is redecorating them.
 

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Good Rant

It was sunny and 35 degrees Saturday morning in Portland, and as I was warming up my '81 CB750 and pulling on the electric gloves, some latte-wielding yuppie know-it-all walks by and asks "how can you ride in this weather?" I replied "because it's a nice day" (and it was), but what I wanted to say was "one of the main reasons I ride this bike is because I want to put as few dollars as possible into the hands of the terrorist-sponsoring Saudis."

Let us not be fooled: those that sell oil in the Middle East are actively funding the war against us, using OUR money, and money from other democratic countries. And this is a war, albiet one of ideology and religion for the most part. There is a place for the SUV in our society, especially if you have a large family (more than 4) and doubly so if you live in rural areas that get snow, etc, of which there are many in Oregon. But the SUV has become the New Cadillac of the USA, and in a country that always places great value on Everything Bigger, we can expect SUV's to continue to be a status symbol that crosses all race and income lines.

Make no mistake: the oil and US car companies know a good thing when they see it, and SUV's are a VERY good thing for them. Lightweight, fuel effecient/hybrid cars are NOT a good thing to them, which is why the hybrids are coming from Japan (and soon Germany) and why Ford killed it's program just as it was beginning to show promise. Don't look for a hip, stylish, innovative hybrid from a US carmaker anytime soon.

The only way the SUV will fall from favor is if gas prices go substantially over $2 a gallon. $3 a gallon will be the death knell for them. That will happen eventually, sooner than later if Bush gets his way and we take Iraq to task, pissing off all the Arabs, who are just itching for an excuse to jack up the price. $60 to fill one SUV up at 14mpg? That's too big a pill for most SUV owners. I'll be laughing as I fill up for $12 total, at 50mpg on the 'ol CB750.

As for what Jesus would ride, probably a dual-sport, so he can get out to the desert and confer in peace with all the other gods (Allah, Muhammad, Vishnu, Budda, Ra, etc). And thumpers get great mileage....

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In Seattle it is different than where you are at sportbikepilot

Where you live you probably don't see many SUVs on the freeway with just one occupant. Here in Seattle SUVs are very popular even though the majority don't go off road, pull a trailer or haul 5 adults. If you don't believe me come to Seattle and go down I-5 during rush hour. What this country needs is a good ole oil embargo or shutdown. Folks would change their tune on SUVs if they had to pay $2.50 a gallon.
 

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Re: Good Rant

Last year gas prices in L.A. went to nearly $2.00 per gallon. SUV sales didn't blink.

2-3 dollar per gallon won't hurt the yuppie types much. It will seriously impact those on the lower end of the economic spectrum. This is the real purpose of high energy prices. If the undesirables are kept poor they won't move out of the ghettos and into the neighborhoods where the "progressives" live. Progressives believe in equality.... as long as they can continue to be just a bit more equal than their "inferiors".
 

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Well said. SUVs of the Nineties and 00s are akin to the Ford LTDs and Chevy Impalas of the 70s. You are right all we need is a hickup in the oil supply and folks driving those SUVs will be trading them in like their parents dumped their LTDs and Impalas of old.
 

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The only problem with population reduction proposals is that the people proposing population reduction never see their own particular niche as one filled with "excess" population. Somehow they always see themselves as exempt from such controls.



When the communists take over a nation their ideas of "excess" population is always first the "intellectuals". Maybe they have a point.....
 

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s stupid

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Excellent. I totally agree. Here in Seattle I can almost gurantee when I see an SUV cheating in the carpool lane it is a women driving. You are absolutely right there are so many better vechicles than a SUV. Of course the automakes love SUVs because of the high markup.
 

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Hey I don't think you are who Francis is talking about. Francis is talking about the person that drives an SUV who doen't need to. Here in Seattle SUV mania is of epidemic proportions. I grew up in rural Colorado where folks had a car and pickup. Pickup for work car for trips to town etc. Here in Seattle we have folks who never leave the pavement or carry anything driving around in Excursions, Yukons etc. It is obscene.
 

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Re: Exhaust gas emissions

Vlad,

Unfortunately, engines are not created equal. Essentially, every engine is just a big air pump with the sole purpose of pulling in as much air as it can, mixing it with some gas, burning the mixture and pushing out the remains. CO2 emissions are going to scale more or less linearly with gas mileage as it is a natural product of this process. The 40 mpg VFR is going to emit roughly 62.5% of the CO2 that the Caddy does. On the other hand, HC, NOx and CO are products that form when combustion is incomplete. The PID measuring the amount of unburned HCs in the exhaust gas stream did not take into account the total volume of exhaust gasses being emitted from each vehicle, only the gasses the built in air pump could grab. So, at best, the comparisons were qualitative.

What one really needs to do is to magically collect all of the gasses that a VFR and a Caddy emit while they travel the same distance at the same speed. Then take each bag of gas and measure the TOTAL VOLUME of unburned HCs. You will find that the VFR has emitted significantly more HCs (and probably more NOx) than the Caddy. This occurs because the engine management and control systems on the Caddy are vastly more advanced then on the VFR. The Norstar motor in the Cadillac burns fuel much more completely at all RPM ranges and throttle positions then the VFR could ever hope to, and hence is a much ‘cleaner’ vehicle. Late model cars and trucks burn gasoline much more completely than motorcycles do simply because motorcycles lack sophisticated engine management and control systems.

The absolute figure is important, but I wasn’t measuring absolutes out of each vehicle.

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You must be kidding. But in the context of the question, manmade pollution, his remark was comical. I loved Ronnie but he was in left field on that one Look I am republican and Reagans energy policy was a joke. We are more dependent on foreign oil than ever. Both parties are to blame. Every President since then has not addressed it. Someday we will pay for our inattention.
 

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I think that a sustained price increase to $2-3 per gallon would start to have an effect. The problem with last summer price increase was it was a spike in prices not a sustained increase.

I don't follow your progressive conspiracy thing. Of course I don't live in live in Utah. :)
 

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Not so fast Crash The real cost of Arab Oil

First the majority of SUV owners do not "Take five adults, one Saint Bernard, and a hundred pounds of gear on two cross-country trips and regular camping outings. "

Second just because someone will buy the oil that we don't doesn't means we should be looking at other ways to haul 5 people and Heidi around. The real cost of Arab Oil is that it makes us sell out our ideas i.e. we support oppressive monarchies like Saudi Arabia. It's the political cost that makes buying oil from the Arabs expensive. It also makes us venerable to region that is inherently unstable politically. So go ahead and buy your SUV but don't be suprised if a relative of yours ends up in the Middle East fighting for oil some day. Just to be clear I am a Republican that happens to think we need to get off our butt and do something about our oil dependence on Arab Oil. And driving around in an SUV is not the way to do it.
 

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No, it isn't really.

So what you're saying is, he's wrong.

Wether there should or shouldn't be readily available SUV's wasn't his point...it was that we shouldn't sin like those who sin against us do. I.E., don't say "Ban SUV's" when there are people running around saying "Ban Motorcycles" or "Ban Offroaders" or whatnot.

Freedom is freedom. Personally, I could care less about who drives what. It will burn itself out soon, you know -- styles change.

The SUV will fall out of fashion soon enough. Look at standards in the 70's (really the sportbikes of their day, I know, but work with me here...), sportbikes in the 80's and cruisers in the late 90's and 00's. Fashion changes...good thing too, because those sportbikes in the 80's and early 90's were damned ugly...

--The Fox
 
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