[longride]

Re: Not necessarily

In 17 years in the fire service, I picked up dead guys with full-face helmets on all the time. If you think wearing a piece of plastic is a replacement for skill and knowledge, I'll see you at the morgue sooner than you think.

 

[longride]

There's only one way you could tell Slick Willie was lying. His lips were moving.

 

[35377]

I’ve doing some lookin’ around and I think that all of this hub-bub about increased motorcycle fatalities is pure BS.



None of the people I ride with are dead. None of the people in the various motorcycle associations I belong to are dead. None of the people on this MO forum are dead (though MR ALLCAPS was close).



So where are all of these dead bikers?



OK, MO staff – here’s your chance to use that silly poll for something useful so we can put an end to this biker fatality stuff once and for all. Feel free to use this poll question verbatim:



Have you ever been killed on a motorcycle?



1. No.

2. Yes, once.

3. Yes, more than once.

4. I got yer dead biker right here, Ninja Boy!

 

[sarnali]

well it's nice to see you've finally accepted the standard party line. Don't you feel better now that you don't have to think for yourself?

 

[seruzawa]

I'm going right home and register with one of the two major parties today!

 

[seruzawa]

Maybe some of them are just mostly dead.

 

[1747]

maybe not quite dead but certainly comatose from neck up.

 

[58710]

Here are some actual numbers from 2004. If I can find the 2005 data I will post it.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2004/809908.pdf

--grieve

 

[12er]

Re: Colorado Doubles (standard).

Oakland Ca's Murder rate this year is already double what it was last year at this time. Can we ban Oakland? Oh yeah, sorry Gabe...

 

[sarnali]

Good Man, outstanding...a beacon to us all...excellent.!!

 

[35377]

NHTSA = Liars & Scoundrels

Beware the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration. Their motto is "people saving people." They are liars, scoundrels, and will stop at nothing until we are all riding public transportation or walking.

The only way to "save" motorcyclists is to outlaw motorcycles. NHTSA knows that, and that is their ultimate goal. They scare the ill-informed, easily intimidated and gutless (elected representatives and mad mothers) with their statistics. We are better than that, and should reject anything that comes from that organization.

 

[55182]

Re: NHTSA = Liars & Scoundrels

Amen ...

 

[56599]

Wow Fenton that some powerful weed you are smokin... That is total BS. How is your adjustable rate mortgage doing bud..

 

[36284]

Re: Not necessarily

Aren't all of those things supposed to, like, work together? If you have no skill or knowledge, you damn sure better have a helmet. It might not save your life; then again, it just might.

 

[56655]

Quick, call Miracle Max and we can fix this...

 

[51092]

Re: Not necessarily

I don't think that in the slightest. Just saying that some of my fellow WA riders like to skirt the law in this particular way.

 

[longride]

I'm still backing the double helmet bill that would require 2 helmets on all riders, just in case the first one doesn't work. If that doesn't help, I'll up it to 3 helmets. Whatever law it takes to save that one precious life, I'm all for it.

 

[58710]

Re: NHTSA = Liars & Scoundrels

I don't know much about the NHTSA, but are you saying they doctor the numbers or just spin what they say. If they are only spinning what they say, then the numbers can still be safely used.

Also are there any there any other sources for this information?

---grieve

 

[seruzawa]

Re: NHTSA = Liars & Scoundrels

There are lots of ways of doctoring numbers. For example when you hear those numbers about "children" being killed by guns please realize that they include 19 year olds as "children". That makes the entire statistic bogus since those 19 year olds are largely gang members.

Some statistics are utterly bogus like the claim that 1 in 10 americans have diabetes. That is an amazing lie.

Another example of govt lies is the claims about drunk driving accidents. If any person in any vehicle has been drinking, even a passenger, the accident is labelled "alcohol related" by the NHTSA. Even if the car with the person who was drinking is parked and hit by a sober driver the accident is labelled "alcohol related".

Govt agencies expand by justifying their existences. They are vested in making the problems they are supposed to solve worse. Than they can demand more funding and justify more higher paid GS slots for the buddy network.

 

[58710]

Re: NHTSA = Liars & Scoundrels

I guess what I am asking is, are the numbers they obtained doctored, and if so how?

As far as I can tell, this is the only source of the information. I would like to know how bogus or real it is. The raw numbers to me look realistic.

More people are riding motorcycles, so there are more motorcycle accidents. I am sure when the model-T was first introduced the number of car accidents sky-rocketed.

Lastly I own a book Titled "How to Lie with Statistics", so I am well aware of how they can play with the numbers. I just don't see it, at least not in any obvious way, in these numbers. If they are doing some doctoring I would like to know what it is.

--grieve