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I'm not so sure that he has a particular ability to tick anyone off, really. Afterall, it's not as if he's putting a gun to anybody's head and forcing them to respond.



More than Kpaul, I think it's the other people's weakness. It's quite easy to ignore Kpaul, but for some reason, people don't. I get the feeling that those who so vociferously respond to Kpaul just have really thin skin. I mean, afterall, it's just a freaking motorcycle post. If they really didn't want to read his stuff, it's as easy as scrolling past it.



Kpaul grates me too from time to time, but all said and done, I do very much consider him a friend, just as I do those who stand in oppositon to him. I don't always agree with Kpaul's tactics, but more or less, I think his heart is in the right place.



The red states are a theocracy.



Libertarians are selfish pricks who don't give a hoot about anybody else so long as their individual interests are met.



Republicans are idiots and arseholes.



Democrats need to figure out their identity and stop being so wishy-washy.



Socialists (such as myself), really don't stand a realistic chance at affecting positive change for the betterment of society.



In the end, what I have stated, is just one person's opinion. And really, nobody needs to respond. Whether they do or not is up to them and a reflection on them as to how they respond.



Kpaul is just one man. It is amazing how one man can do so much to stir the pot. It just seems, though, that the ingredients in the pot (other MOrons) are just waiting to be stirred.
 

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I get your point. And yes they are generalizations. But I was just using them to illustrate a point myself, that it's not that big of a deal what one individual on a board thinks or opines. I do more or less agree with my generalizations because I've formed them from experience and much thought. But Seruzawa, I have also learned better. I know I should not judge by generalization, and I try not to, but it is difficult when the majority of the described people that I have encountered fit into those generalizations. What am I to do? Ignore my life's experiences?
 

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Re: Red State idiot (facts and data time again) Red State morality..

I wasn't saying that I agree with his views, I just like the guy. Pdad and I have differing opinions, but I respect him very much.
 

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I left the University scene 5 years ago and in the subsequent time have encountered thousands of people... and my University experience was nothing but opposing views and factions. Matter of fact, at least during my University years people could better, more eloquently, and more thoroughly argue their sides. Whereas out here in the "real world" people are more inclined to regurgitate sound bites and propaganda.



I agree with you about the carnage created by totalitarian socialist regimes, but my question is then, can we not have a socialist regime without totalitarianism? I do not believe that democracy and socialism must be mutually exclusive. I also do not believe that capitalism and democracy are inextricably linked.



You also make a good point about the theocracy issue, but I don't trust the church. The Church is a beauracracy hell-bent (and I do mean that) on retaining its own power and influence. What the church and religious right advocate, is different than what Jesus was all about. I don't think that Jesus would have been a Republican or Democrat or Libertarian. He would have been far more inclined to be a Socialist, but maybe he would have eschewed that in favor of being a Humanist.



A civil war can be waged in a manner not requiring guns. Just look at India and Gandhi. The Civil Rights movement of the 50s and 60s were a civil war in its own right.



I do not advocate violence. There can be civil unrest/ civil war without violence. Of course the 2nd Ammendment was meant to allow the people of this country a means of defense from tyranny, but how well has that worked out? This Government has no problem killing its own citizens. If we were to fight back, we'd have Waco and Janet Reno all over again. So then, I believe it is best to seek alternative means to revolution.



I really like you Seruzawa, your intelligence and candor are very much appreciated on this end. We won't agree on many things, but that's okay. You make valid points and arguments that I will think about and consider.
 

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Never I say! Never! You'll have to take me down kicking and screaming! You might just have to kill me! Viva la Revolucion!!!



Seriously, though, I do see where you're coming from, and maybe you can edify me a bit more on this, but I've never gathered the Republicans to be big supporters of small businesses. What exactly is the deal with that?
 

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Re: Red State idiot (facts and data time again) Red State morality..

But I still think it's all more deeper than we can broach on this board.
 

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Yeah, I get what you're saying, but what I'm trying to say is let's get rid of money altogether. Less competition and more cooperation. Think of socialism beyond the constructs of our society or beyond the what has already happened in mankind's history. Yes, I am being idealistic and utopian, but wasn't Jesus the ultimate idealist?
 

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There is far too much hate on both sides of this equation. I admit to being part of the problem myself. It's difficult not to get passionate about things you believe in. But I do, earnestly, hope for a better way.
 

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I think your point of our founding fathers being more inline with libertarians is only partly valid. Our founding fathers had some vehement disagreements with eachother, you know, the entire Hamilton and Jefferson deal. Furthermore I doubt that you could compare our founding fathers to the so called libertarians of today.

As for the socialist thing, yes I do believe it is a matter of perception and I do believe yours to be incorrect. I only wish I could argue this point better, but since I can't, allow me to point you to a short article written a long time ago, that states what I believe better than I can in my own words. I ask that you give it a read, and that you give your informed opinion.

http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einst.htm
 

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Stolen Elections

I agree, but if I remember correctly the right wing went on attack mode with Clinton right off the bat too. The right also makes similar claims about the media. As far as this being a stolen election, it just may be. Just a couple of examples, in one small precinct in Ohio, where there was a total of some 638 votes only, the report was that Bush recieved some 4,258 votes! How is that even possible? Then in New Mexico, before a single ballot was even counted, Bush was somehow given thousands of votes! The entire provisional and absentee ballot thing is especially troubling considering there is no procedure set in place to for auditing these things. I do think there is some funny business going on here. I think a big part of the problem are these E-Vote machines, which are utterly suceptible to hacking and fraudelent manipulation. Furthermore, 4 Ohio counties bought these E-machines from the Diebold Corporation, which is incredibly partisan in favor of the Republicans, and whose CEO Wally O'Dell is a Bush fundraiser and who promised to help "Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President."

I have no doubt that the Republicans were up to something fishy... here's a quote from an article I've read:

Damschroder is the former Executive Director of the Franklin County Republican Party, and sources close to the Board of Elections tell the Free Press that Damschroder and Ohio’s Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell met with President Bush in Columbus on Election Day.

The Dispatch also confirmed a Free Press story, posted on Election Day, involving far fewer voting machines in predominantly black Democratic inner-city voting wards. On page one, under the misleading headline, "Suburbs were busiest even with more machines," the Dispatch reports that: "As seasoned voters in many of Columbus’ predominantly black neighborhoods waited in long lines Tuesday, they quickly recognized that the crush of new voters wasn’t the sole cause of congestion. There also were fewer voting machines." In one precinct, the Free Press reported 12 voters leaving due to work or because they were handicapped or elderly.

Prior to Election Day, the Republican Party in Ohio planned to utilize an archaic Ohio election law to place Republican poll challengers in every polling site. The strategy, according to Republican insiders, was to clog the voting lines in predominantly black Democratic wards in urban areas, so voters would turn away in frustration. When that plan came under heavy media scrutiny, federal courts in Ohio ruled against it, and a massive Election Protection Coalition operation was put in place to monitor the polling sites, Republican Central Committee sources say that Damschroder instituted "Plan B."

One Republican Central Committee member told the Free Press that Damschroder held back up to 2000 machines and dispersed many of the other machines to affluent suburbs in Franklin County.

The Free Press has previously documented massive Republican voter suppression techniques leading up to this year’s election in an article entitled "Twelve Ways Bush is now Stealing the Ohio Vote": http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/810. The growing election irregularities suggest that John Kerry conceded too soon, and that spoiled ballots, provisional ballot, e-voting glitches and partisan manipulation by Republican election officials deprived the Senator of the victory projected in Zogby and CNN exit polls. The lesson voters in Ohio take away from this election is that every vote doesn’t count and computer glitches count more.


I don't know if you get the program in your neck of the woods, but I listen to a radio show called "Democracy Now" during my morning commute. Of course, it is something of a leftist show, but if there is a grain of truth to what they are saying, then I am indeed troubled by the numbers associated with this election. More than anything, I think we need to find an accurate, standardized method of voting, so that in the future these things don't remain in question. I do think Kerry conceded too early.

If there is an iota of truth to any of these assertations that the Republicans have tampered with the election, then how can I, in good conscience, concede a victory for Bush without a dogged fight?
 

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Re: Red State idiot (facts and data time again) Red State morality..

Sorry Stoney, but I think that it is possible that liberals are a minority on this site.

Pass the dutchie 'pon the left hand side.
 
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