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73 hp means you can have fun rowing the gearbox without worrying about being arrested like you would on a literbike. I'd have killed for 73hp when I was 20. You couldn't buy it anywhere. Funny, but in spite of being limited to 50-60hp bikes I never felt deprived.
Ever get paid on the Trophy?
Ever get paid on the Trophy?
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Well at least it's not like the pipes on my Scrambler that have 350 10mm nuts and bolts holding it together, along with more straps and supports than Kate Smith's brassiere.
What are those big lumpy things on the headpipes? Scone heaters?
And I can still buy real trials tyres, why can't Triumph. Feh. Bah. Fooey.
Well at least it's not like the pipes on my Scrambler that have 350 10mm nuts and bolts holding it together, along with more straps and supports than Kate Smith's brassiere.
What are those big lumpy things on the headpipes? Scone heaters?
And I can still buy real trials tyres, why can't Triumph. Feh. Bah. Fooey.
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You also make a good point.
Triumph not following the mold has always been one of the reasons I like them. I don't like having a bike that you see everyday, yet I do want one that is reasonably priced and reliable with a decent dealer network.
I do suppose that if they make a rule change it'll be raced.
Indeed most supersports, or rather, most sportbikes never see the track.
Perhaps I'm thinking too old for my 25 years, but I don't think I'll ever really want a sportbike. Sure I like to go fast, but I like doing it in comfort and stealth, not a flashy squidly style.
You also make a good point.
Triumph not following the mold has always been one of the reasons I like them. I don't like having a bike that you see everyday, yet I do want one that is reasonably priced and reliable with a decent dealer network.
I do suppose that if they make a rule change it'll be raced.
Indeed most supersports, or rather, most sportbikes never see the track.
Perhaps I'm thinking too old for my 25 years, but I don't think I'll ever really want a sportbike. Sure I like to go fast, but I like doing it in comfort and stealth, not a flashy squidly style.
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3 cylinders is just fine for us "Americanos" as long as it puts out. For us Americans, pretty is as pretty does. Lets hope the new Triumph is as good as it looks!
...and I WAS going to buy the anniversary R-1
...and I WAS going to buy the anniversary R-1
Heh, heh
374 is what they quote for the Speed Four. I weighed the stock one at 438 with a full gas tank. At 6 pounds/gallon, gas weighs 24 pounds. I guess the rest is tires, oil, oil filter, battery and paint (paint becomes liquid if you add thinner). Maybe they don't count the gas tank because that holds wet stuff.
374 is what they quote for the Speed Four. I weighed the stock one at 438 with a full gas tank. At 6 pounds/gallon, gas weighs 24 pounds. I guess the rest is tires, oil, oil filter, battery and paint (paint becomes liquid if you add thinner). Maybe they don't count the gas tank because that holds wet stuff.
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I'm going to elaborate on what Buz said. The Triumph is a Triple--one less cylinder. A triple will have a difficult time revving as high as a 600 I-4. But, in theory, it could have some advantages, too.
Depending on engine tuning, the bigger cylinders could produce a better power from the bottom up, even if it suffers at the the top of the rev range. It's a different engineering solution than the I-4, but it's certainly not a "cheater" like the ZX-6R or the Daytona 650(although I have no problem with the extra displacement in respect to a road bike.)
The 600cc displacement limit is more or less an arbitrary one that became defacto because most of the major manufacturers were making and racing I-4s. And contrary to popular belief, the "Supersport" racing classes are just that--Supersport. Not "600 cc Supersport" or 600cc Inline-four Supersport." To limit the displacement across the board for every type of engine architecture would be unfair to anyone that wanted to try a different engineering solution. And how much fun would that be? The Ducati 749 is a supersport entry. But it needs more displacement (749ccs) to mitigate it's disadvantage in number of cylinders. But the twin layout also has advantages. And isn't that what racing should be about? Who's got the better idea? Jesus, I don't want motorcycle racing to become NASCAR on two wheels.
The company line at Triumph is that they have no plans to go racing. And the WSS or AMA SS rules have not been changed to allow the Triple. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a semi-factory supported team and privateers if the rules are changed and this bike is really good.
Anyway, none of this makes any difference on the road. But to get back to the point, a 600cc I-4 and the 675 Triple is a fair fight.
Depending on engine tuning, the bigger cylinders could produce a better power from the bottom up, even if it suffers at the the top of the rev range. It's a different engineering solution than the I-4, but it's certainly not a "cheater" like the ZX-6R or the Daytona 650(although I have no problem with the extra displacement in respect to a road bike.)
The 600cc displacement limit is more or less an arbitrary one that became defacto because most of the major manufacturers were making and racing I-4s. And contrary to popular belief, the "Supersport" racing classes are just that--Supersport. Not "600 cc Supersport" or 600cc Inline-four Supersport." To limit the displacement across the board for every type of engine architecture would be unfair to anyone that wanted to try a different engineering solution. And how much fun would that be? The Ducati 749 is a supersport entry. But it needs more displacement (749ccs) to mitigate it's disadvantage in number of cylinders. But the twin layout also has advantages. And isn't that what racing should be about? Who's got the better idea? Jesus, I don't want motorcycle racing to become NASCAR on two wheels.
The company line at Triumph is that they have no plans to go racing. And the WSS or AMA SS rules have not been changed to allow the Triple. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a semi-factory supported team and privateers if the rules are changed and this bike is really good.
Anyway, none of this makes any difference on the road. But to get back to the point, a 600cc I-4 and the 675 Triple is a fair fight.
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I remember. But they also denied that this bike existed. They may mean what they say, but don't be surprised if you see a semi-factory team again and privateers somewhere if the rules change. They may be playing by their own rules, but by the looks of this bike, they could be very much in the same game as the Japanese.
If the bike is anywhere near as good as the Bike magazine hyperventillating implies, at least one of their intentions was to kick the Japanese in the nuts. I think if racing was totally and completely ruled out, you might be seeing a significantly different bike. Let's wait and see.
If the bike is anywhere near as good as the Bike magazine hyperventillating implies, at least one of their intentions was to kick the Japanese in the nuts. I think if racing was totally and completely ruled out, you might be seeing a significantly different bike. Let's wait and see.
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Triumph doesn't care about racing. So they are offering what they think will attract people who like the current supersport class. If they sell enough bikes then, as someone else wisely noted, the racing associations will magically find a way to include the triple. When all is said and done, the bikes that the big4 sell in the showroom aren't the same thing that is racing professionally either. By the time the bikes are modified, tweaked and laoded up with titanium and carbon fiber bits any similarity is purely coincidental. It's always been that way.
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