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Ya, good deal, you betcha.....
aye, man, whatever floots 'yer boot......
aye, man, whatever floots 'yer boot......
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"MO Staff" says the byeline. Who really wrote it? I only ask because your UK readership will probably recognise the name if it is one of the usual freelance suspects, and know how much weight to give his or her opinions.
Or maybe you do have staff in Italy...
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BTW, as an ex-T595 owner, having had a quick blast on the new 955i (my local dealer's demo bike), I reckon it's better in every way than the T595, from the riding position through the handling to the amount of grunt.
Ken Haylock
Or maybe you do have staff in Italy...
.BTW, as an ex-T595 owner, having had a quick blast on the new 955i (my local dealer's demo bike), I reckon it's better in every way than the T595, from the riding position through the handling to the amount of grunt.
Ken Haylock
An interesting third choice. Why do I write third?
Well, we have two similar liter displacement Italian V-twins and a couple Japanese wannabe imitations. We have four almost identical liter displacement Japanese four cylinder wailer clones.
And if the rider report is straight, the new Triumph is a pretty close competitor, but not a copy of anybody. Good for them. A rasping triple makes for a third real choice.
(Sorry I can't bring myself to put the Buell in the same class as the other bikes, though the new one looks interesting.)
Well, we have two similar liter displacement Italian V-twins and a couple Japanese wannabe imitations. We have four almost identical liter displacement Japanese four cylinder wailer clones.
And if the rider report is straight, the new Triumph is a pretty close competitor, but not a copy of anybody. Good for them. A rasping triple makes for a third real choice.
(Sorry I can't bring myself to put the Buell in the same class as the other bikes, though the new one looks interesting.)
Earlier this year, Southern California Triumph did a terrific demo ride event (factory supported, to be sure!) where we general public types could get a taste of every Triumph model. All of them! And gang, if you haven't ridden one of their triples, you really don't know what you're missing. Incredible mid-range torque. Totally unique sound. If you're one of us "median" riders, who can't use an R1 at 10/10ths, I'd bet the actual performance difference is nil!
Weight, Power, Price...
In case you want to know, is all in the September Motorcyclist. (I guess I'm a time traveler!)
The bike is 486 pounds full of gas, 452 pounds empty. Note the Triumph claimed dry weight is 419 pounds- what fluid weighs 33 pounds? All the fluids can't be more than 10 pounds- do they take off tires or just lie?
Power is 127 HP at the back wheel- pretty good! right there with the ZX-9R, 929, and R1: but not good enough to beat the GSXR, but I think people are starting to balk at too much power. Maybe I'm wrong.
Price is 10,999. Pretty good! Less than what they charged back in '95 for their heavy-ass tanks they used to sell.
I think Triumph is coming along great and I wish them the best. These are truly great times!
In case you want to know, is all in the September Motorcyclist. (I guess I'm a time traveler!)
The bike is 486 pounds full of gas, 452 pounds empty. Note the Triumph claimed dry weight is 419 pounds- what fluid weighs 33 pounds? All the fluids can't be more than 10 pounds- do they take off tires or just lie?
Power is 127 HP at the back wheel- pretty good! right there with the ZX-9R, 929, and R1: but not good enough to beat the GSXR, but I think people are starting to balk at too much power. Maybe I'm wrong.
Price is 10,999. Pretty good! Less than what they charged back in '95 for their heavy-ass tanks they used to sell.
I think Triumph is coming along great and I wish them the best. These are truly great times!
Re: Weight, Power, Price...
Actually the weight is about right.... 419 dry means with zero fluid: no oil, gas, battery, fork oil etc (this goes for all factorys).....
Motorcyclists dry weight is all fluids sans fuel (or otherwise an empty tank) Wet weight is with a full tank (otherwise known as curb weight).
Still I was hoping it was going to be closer to 470lbs wet....
William
Actually the weight is about right.... 419 dry means with zero fluid: no oil, gas, battery, fork oil etc (this goes for all factorys).....
Motorcyclists dry weight is all fluids sans fuel (or otherwise an empty tank) Wet weight is with a full tank (otherwise known as curb weight).
Still I was hoping it was going to be closer to 470lbs wet....
William
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Re: Could the exhaust can be any bigger?
To make an exhaust quiet it has to be big. Check out the race can for it, or take a look at how big the cans are on Kawasaki's sportbikes....
To make an exhaust quiet it has to be big. Check out the race can for it, or take a look at how big the cans are on Kawasaki's sportbikes....
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I'm really happy for Triumph. Now if they'll quit hedging and get a race team out there I can really get behind them. C'mon Triumph, Aprilia is doing it, don't tell me it's too expensive.. You took the AMA title in '98, what's the deal. Get out there and race!!! (PS, if you need a rider, my schedule is wide open......Let's talk contract)..
Quote from article -- "In fact, in Europe, the new Triumph even undercuts the competition price wise."
I wonder if this is because of an EU price break on import duties, or just the difference in shipping costs alone?
Anyway, if they could beat Japanese sportbike prices in the states, they would really make a mark. I don't have any hard evidence, but it seems European bikes (all makes) tend to hold resale value a little better than the Japanese bikes. I LOVE Japanese bikes, but you really loose your ass buying them new. At trade-in time they are worth squat! I know Harley riders have always used this line to justify their $20,000 bikes.... but, unless you plan on keeping a bike until you die... trade-in value is a factor. So, if Triumph bikes can compete performance wise with the Japanese, cost the same or less, and hold onto a little more value over time, I think the scale tips in their favor.
I wonder if this is because of an EU price break on import duties, or just the difference in shipping costs alone?
Anyway, if they could beat Japanese sportbike prices in the states, they would really make a mark. I don't have any hard evidence, but it seems European bikes (all makes) tend to hold resale value a little better than the Japanese bikes. I LOVE Japanese bikes, but you really loose your ass buying them new. At trade-in time they are worth squat! I know Harley riders have always used this line to justify their $20,000 bikes.... but, unless you plan on keeping a bike until you die... trade-in value is a factor. So, if Triumph bikes can compete performance wise with the Japanese, cost the same or less, and hold onto a little more value over time, I think the scale tips in their favor.
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Re: Weight, Power, Price...
Extra 3litres fuel capacity adds about 5ib
Extra 3litres fuel capacity adds about 5ib
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As the former owner of a lovely orange 96 speed
triple I can testify that Triumph makes great bikes,
but the resale value is no better than most
japanese bikes. In fact, it may be worse, for the
simple reason that there are less people looking
for Triumphs to buy.
triple I can testify that Triumph makes great bikes,
but the resale value is no better than most
japanese bikes. In fact, it may be worse, for the
simple reason that there are less people looking
for Triumphs to buy.
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I love Triumphs but don't buy one on resale...
it is no better than Japanese motorcycles but for a different reason. With Japanese motorcyles it's because most have little to love except the price and performance level you get for it. A year or to later nobody wants your bike except those looking for cheap wheels, because it's now a stale second-rate has-been and highly suspect of being abused if it's a sportbike. Note that Japanese cruisers, while not holding value nearly as well as Harleys, do better than Japanese sportbikes because that has-been syndrome doesn't afflict them quite so badly.
Triumphs OTOH don't hold their value because many people associate with them with the old Meriden Triumphs and are afraid of them or suspect they will have trouble finding dealers or getting parts. This is hard to believe and largely unwarranted in spite of a few glitches the new Triumph co. has failed to iron out before putting a bike on the market (but to their credit have quickly fixed, and LC triples based on the original Hinckley engine have proven to be among of the most reliable bikes on the planet). But you wouldn't believe the number of people who come up to my Triumph and are still totally surprised to find out they're still in business! Triumph's biggest shortcoming is their marketing, and that is reflected in resale I'm afraid.
it is no better than Japanese motorcycles but for a different reason. With Japanese motorcyles it's because most have little to love except the price and performance level you get for it. A year or to later nobody wants your bike except those looking for cheap wheels, because it's now a stale second-rate has-been and highly suspect of being abused if it's a sportbike. Note that Japanese cruisers, while not holding value nearly as well as Harleys, do better than Japanese sportbikes because that has-been syndrome doesn't afflict them quite so badly.
Triumphs OTOH don't hold their value because many people associate with them with the old Meriden Triumphs and are afraid of them or suspect they will have trouble finding dealers or getting parts. This is hard to believe and largely unwarranted in spite of a few glitches the new Triumph co. has failed to iron out before putting a bike on the market (but to their credit have quickly fixed, and LC triples based on the original Hinckley engine have proven to be among of the most reliable bikes on the planet). But you wouldn't believe the number of people who come up to my Triumph and are still totally surprised to find out they're still in business! Triumph's biggest shortcoming is their marketing, and that is reflected in resale I'm afraid.
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For readers in the US midwest...
The Triumph demo fleet will be in the tiny village of Marne, IA (a short ride east of Omaha) for the annual Brit/Euro rally sponsored by Baxter Cycle on Aug 11-12. They are one of the few US dealerships left that still stocks quite an assortment of both the old and new Triumphs as well as Moto Guzzi (demo rides on them too!) For more info www.baxtercycle.com
Ditto on the don't know what you're missing if you haven't ridden one of the new Triumphs, regardless of whether you're into sportbikes, sport-tourers or retro-style standards (sorry, Triumph can't help if morbidly obese cruisers or full-dressers are your thing).
The Triumph demo fleet will be in the tiny village of Marne, IA (a short ride east of Omaha) for the annual Brit/Euro rally sponsored by Baxter Cycle on Aug 11-12. They are one of the few US dealerships left that still stocks quite an assortment of both the old and new Triumphs as well as Moto Guzzi (demo rides on them too!) For more info www.baxtercycle.com
Ditto on the don't know what you're missing if you haven't ridden one of the new Triumphs, regardless of whether you're into sportbikes, sport-tourers or retro-style standards (sorry, Triumph can't help if morbidly obese cruisers or full-dressers are your thing).
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