"until Ducati release thier 800 V4 GP engine in a 999 type package for less than 12 grand" HS, my son, glad to see you are reading the teachings of the great kpaul the Great Motorcycle Prophet (GMP)... But kpaul says Ducati can charge 17,000 and still sell more V-4s in one year than the entire production run of the 999. Provided they don't allow the same designer of the 999 to the design the new V-4..