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Good mix for Ducati, maybe. Bad for us. Goodbye Falco, Futura and Mille.
>oooh liquid desmo just sounds
>sexy!
Yes, the 999, Monster S4, and ST4 do sound sexy. especially with aftermarket pipes.
>sexy!
Yes, the 999, Monster S4, and ST4 do sound sexy. especially with aftermarket pipes.
This deal sucks. I don't know why fans of Italian bikes - or any motorcyclists, for that matter - would be happy to see Ducati buy out a competitor and kill off all those great bikes.
It's also illogical. Is Aprilia that much of a threat to Ducati in its present financial straights? Or does Ducati want the Moto Guzzi and Laverda names so badly that it will take on the excess (and useless) Aprilia assets?
I'd say that this is yet another case of Italian passion overriding business sense, but it's Texas Pacific Group. Weird.
And yet no motorcycle company is grabbing the goldmine-at-a-firesale-price Indian. Double weird.
It's also illogical. Is Aprilia that much of a threat to Ducati in its present financial straights? Or does Ducati want the Moto Guzzi and Laverda names so badly that it will take on the excess (and useless) Aprilia assets?
I'd say that this is yet another case of Italian passion overriding business sense, but it's Texas Pacific Group. Weird.
And yet no motorcycle company is grabbing the goldmine-at-a-firesale-price Indian. Double weird.
Most of the woes come from taking on debt when their enthusiasm outpaces their business sense. This looks like more of the same.
Yeah, headline-wise, it's like "Violence in Middle East".
>All Indian has is a marketing
>name
A hugely valuable one.
>untill someone with balls comes in
>and sets it up as a unique brand
>again
Exactly.
Ducati has the resources, and they have engineers who know something about V-twins. And for the cretins to whom such a thing would be important, it wouldn't be Ducati owning Indian, it would be Texas Pacific Group.
>name
A hugely valuable one.
>untill someone with balls comes in
>and sets it up as a unique brand
>again
Exactly.
Ducati has the resources, and they have engineers who know something about V-twins. And for the cretins to whom such a thing would be important, it wouldn't be Ducati owning Indian, it would be Texas Pacific Group.
>Simply, Aprilia was and is a
>scooter builder.
Then the Mille, Falco and Futura are the motherf**ingest ass-kicking scooters ever made.
BTW, same applies to Honda and Yamaha.
>The motors in the street bikes are
>supplied by Rotax.
Who also supply some motors for BMW and KTM, I believe. And manufacturers also get brakes from Brembo, shocks from Ohlins, carbs from Mikuni, etc. Nothing wrong with outsourcing. Oftentimes more efficient.
>The MotoGP effort is a failure.
So is Suzuki's and Kawasaki's. Big deal.
>Ducati will not ax any sportbike
>that Aprilia produces. What they
>will do is modify the existing
>motor and build it in Ducati's
>house.
Now YOUR [sic] the one who's HIGH. Do you honestly believe that Ducati would produce and sell both the 999 and the Mille? Both the 900SS and the Falco? Both the ST4 and the Futura? Why? What's the point of spending money (labor, materials, marketing, tooling maintenance, mutiple assembly lines, etc etc) to produce a direct competitor to your own product line?
>Duc wanted Guzzi, anyway
Which makes sense. Better-differentiated product line and customer base.
>so why not throw in Laverda and
>(lead brand) Aprilia.
That's like wanting to buy my neighbor's garage for $20,000, getting rebuffed, then deciding to buy the whole property for $200,000 just to get that garage. Might make sense, might not, but that's an awfully big "throw-in."
>Anyone that thinks this is bad is
>simply not a good businessman.
I didn't say it was a bad business decision. They would eliminate a competitor. I said it was bad for motorcycling, because those great Aprilia bikes will be no more.
>Aprilia will live right along side
>with Ducati.
Not with motorcycles.
>Guzzi will get better quality
>control
Nowhere to go but up, but Ducati ain't stellar in this department.
>and Laverda will start shipping
>bad ass litre class twins again.
Laverda was renowned for their Triples. A Twin would alienate the faithful and would compete with existing Ducs, so it won't happen.
>It all looks good to me
Not me.
>scooter builder.
Then the Mille, Falco and Futura are the motherf**ingest ass-kicking scooters ever made.
BTW, same applies to Honda and Yamaha.
>The motors in the street bikes are
>supplied by Rotax.
Who also supply some motors for BMW and KTM, I believe. And manufacturers also get brakes from Brembo, shocks from Ohlins, carbs from Mikuni, etc. Nothing wrong with outsourcing. Oftentimes more efficient.
>The MotoGP effort is a failure.
So is Suzuki's and Kawasaki's. Big deal.
>Ducati will not ax any sportbike
>that Aprilia produces. What they
>will do is modify the existing
>motor and build it in Ducati's
>house.
Now YOUR [sic] the one who's HIGH. Do you honestly believe that Ducati would produce and sell both the 999 and the Mille? Both the 900SS and the Falco? Both the ST4 and the Futura? Why? What's the point of spending money (labor, materials, marketing, tooling maintenance, mutiple assembly lines, etc etc) to produce a direct competitor to your own product line?
>Duc wanted Guzzi, anyway
Which makes sense. Better-differentiated product line and customer base.
>so why not throw in Laverda and
>(lead brand) Aprilia.
That's like wanting to buy my neighbor's garage for $20,000, getting rebuffed, then deciding to buy the whole property for $200,000 just to get that garage. Might make sense, might not, but that's an awfully big "throw-in."
>Anyone that thinks this is bad is
>simply not a good businessman.
I didn't say it was a bad business decision. They would eliminate a competitor. I said it was bad for motorcycling, because those great Aprilia bikes will be no more.
>Aprilia will live right along side
>with Ducati.
Not with motorcycles.
>Guzzi will get better quality
>control
Nowhere to go but up, but Ducati ain't stellar in this department.
>and Laverda will start shipping
>bad ass litre class twins again.
Laverda was renowned for their Triples. A Twin would alienate the faithful and would compete with existing Ducs, so it won't happen.
>It all looks good to me
Not me.
Aprilia tried that. Triumph balked.
>I'm no Abate member, but we really
>fight Darwin way to much).
Exact-a-mundo.
>fight Darwin way to much).
Exact-a-mundo.
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