Wan' me ta' show ya' lil' trick ta' take ya' mind offa that funny feelin'? Lemme see ya' hand..........
Ducati's Tardozzi: 999 is dead in World Superbike
Oh joy, here we go with the "twins can't compete without an advatage" BS. I can hardly freaking wait, and a bigger whoop, fist post...
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Yo' Sista'!............
(I'd best get in Line, then)
(I'd best get in Line, then)
I think you got it right acrross the board. i really agree on the priller analysis. i hear the r version of the 1098 will be an 1188. These discussions/debates and fights are happening in many clubs right now. I say let ducati do it. its not about formats, its about what makes for good racing.
wsk needs ducati that much i feel pretty sure about.
wsk needs ducati that much i feel pretty sure about.
Re: Did I miss something????
Ace has summed up Ducati's position and predicament very well. As has been stated many times, the WSBK bikes are in a, and I quote Ducati, "a MotoGP state of tune," and they're still down about 20hp. This costs a fortune. Ducati is not a large company with bottomless pockets.
Remember that the twins are currently allowed all sorts of internal modifications that Duc is willing to give up in exchange for a displacement increase.
Plus, how much longer do you think twins under the current rules are going to be competitive at the current rate of development? Not much longer. Something has got to give eventually.
I don't want to see one manufacturer dominating the class like we had in the 90s any more than you do. But I also don't want to see Ducati go away or a rulebook that is strictly dictated by engine displacement.
Ace has summed up Ducati's position and predicament very well. As has been stated many times, the WSBK bikes are in a, and I quote Ducati, "a MotoGP state of tune," and they're still down about 20hp. This costs a fortune. Ducati is not a large company with bottomless pockets.
Remember that the twins are currently allowed all sorts of internal modifications that Duc is willing to give up in exchange for a displacement increase.
Plus, how much longer do you think twins under the current rules are going to be competitive at the current rate of development? Not much longer. Something has got to give eventually.
I don't want to see one manufacturer dominating the class like we had in the 90s any more than you do. But I also don't want to see Ducati go away or a rulebook that is strictly dictated by engine displacement.
Re: Your list is growing.
His bike fell over while he was trying to hook up the battery charger clamps.
His bike fell over while he was trying to hook up the battery charger clamps.
Re: Does Ducat read MO? Can they accept that the GMP is right?
You Think?
You Think?
Re: Your list is growing.
LOL good kjoke
LOL good kjoke
Re: Your list is growing.
I crashed it only once. .But they didn't fix all of the damage the first time i.e they delivered it when my wife was home and she didn't check it over. I checked it over and had them come and get so they could fix it right..kNinja looks real pretty now in all of her yellow glory. Can't wait to race longridester.
I crashed it only once. .But they didn't fix all of the damage the first time i.e they delivered it when my wife was home and she didn't check it over. I checked it over and had them come and get so they could fix it right..kNinja looks real pretty now in all of her yellow glory. Can't wait to race longridester.
Is this supposed to be a good thing?
What I don't understand is how anyone could want racing twins to "die."
-sarcasm on-
I know, lets have all the bikes in AMA / WSB / Moto GP be the same - exactly the same. The same manufacturer should build all the bikes and they should all have to use the same tires. In fact, while we're at it we should clone Valentino and make all the riders the same too. All the other riders are inferior anyhow, so why bother. Now instead of calling it a race we can call it a parade! I love parades!
-sarcasm off-
Maybe it's just me, but I think that the differences between the bikes, just like the differences between the riders, are what makes racing interesting. If twins need more displacement to make the same lap times for the same investment as a four, then why not? Hell, let's get some 1600cc thumpers out there, and bring back the rotary bikes too!
Anything is fine as long as it makes the engineers keep improving, just like the riders.
What I don't understand is how anyone could want racing twins to "die."
-sarcasm on-
I know, lets have all the bikes in AMA / WSB / Moto GP be the same - exactly the same. The same manufacturer should build all the bikes and they should all have to use the same tires. In fact, while we're at it we should clone Valentino and make all the riders the same too. All the other riders are inferior anyhow, so why bother. Now instead of calling it a race we can call it a parade! I love parades!
-sarcasm off-
Maybe it's just me, but I think that the differences between the bikes, just like the differences between the riders, are what makes racing interesting. If twins need more displacement to make the same lap times for the same investment as a four, then why not? Hell, let's get some 1600cc thumpers out there, and bring back the rotary bikes too!
Anything is fine as long as it makes the engineers keep improving, just like the riders.
Re: Your list is growing.
You Think?
You Think?
Re: Your list is growing.
You Think?
You Think?
Re: Is this supposed to be a good thing?
You've obviously never watched the NASCRAP "IRAQ-Series" races, have you?
20 Identically-prepped Humvees, with a Cobra Viper Gun Turret mounted on each.
The best Marine, Al Q'aida, PLO, and Pelosi-led-Democrat Drivers battle it out at the world-famous "Streets of Baghdad" Motor Circuit. It's Man vs. Infidel, in a "Bombin' is Racin' ", Winner blows-up all, Battle to the Finish.
Second-place is just the First Loser.
Ah, yes. American Ingenuity at its Finest.
I love the smell of Cordite in the Morning........
You've obviously never watched the NASCRAP "IRAQ-Series" races, have you?
20 Identically-prepped Humvees, with a Cobra Viper Gun Turret mounted on each.
The best Marine, Al Q'aida, PLO, and Pelosi-led-Democrat Drivers battle it out at the world-famous "Streets of Baghdad" Motor Circuit. It's Man vs. Infidel, in a "Bombin' is Racin' ", Winner blows-up all, Battle to the Finish.
Second-place is just the First Loser.
Ah, yes. American Ingenuity at its Finest.
I love the smell of Cordite in the Morning........
Re: Is this supposed to be a good thing?
Over an HOUR on an OBVIOUS Stinkbait-Troll, and no bites yet?
This pond must be all "fished out".
Over an HOUR on an OBVIOUS Stinkbait-Troll, and no bites yet?
This pond must be all "fished out".
Just to set the record straight. Twins are ok.
I think there should be a class of racing called unlimited where anything goes. You want a 1300 CC Haybusa based bike go for it. You want a 1400 V-Twin so be it. Turbocharged you bet... But then have to make the other classes equal. You could also have an IROC based series of identical bikes. My beef with racing V-Twins is that Ducati has always gotten the breaks in WSBK to the determent of the Japanese manufacturers. Of course Honda's RC51 was superior for a couple of years to Ducati. Before the 1000 cc fours were let in WSBK, the series had become the Ducati Cup. So I think CC is the only other way to level the playing field. The highest horsepower bike doesn't always mean the fastest around a race track. Bayliss proved that last year.
I think there should be a class of racing called unlimited where anything goes. You want a 1300 CC Haybusa based bike go for it. You want a 1400 V-Twin so be it. Turbocharged you bet... But then have to make the other classes equal. You could also have an IROC based series of identical bikes. My beef with racing V-Twins is that Ducati has always gotten the breaks in WSBK to the determent of the Japanese manufacturers. Of course Honda's RC51 was superior for a couple of years to Ducati. Before the 1000 cc fours were let in WSBK, the series had become the Ducati Cup. So I think CC is the only other way to level the playing field. The highest horsepower bike doesn't always mean the fastest around a race track. Bayliss proved that last year.
Re: Just to set the record straight. Twins are ok.
You're completely missing the economic realities of running a race series or any entertainment venture for that matter.
The top manufacturers want to be in the premier classes. In fact, without them there are no race series at all. After all, racing is mostly a marketing and product development function.
How many motorcycle series do you think are economically sustainable? And why should displacement be the be-all, end-all?
You're completely missing the economic realities of running a race series or any entertainment venture for that matter.
The top manufacturers want to be in the premier classes. In fact, without them there are no race series at all. After all, racing is mostly a marketing and product development function.
How many motorcycle series do you think are economically sustainable? And why should displacement be the be-all, end-all?
Re: Your list is growing.
So, you were lying when you said you've been doing 50 mile training rides for the race?
You've stated this several times, and then, out of no where you say it has been in the shop the whole time. Kind of weird...you think?
So, you were lying when you said you've been doing 50 mile training rides for the race?
You've stated this several times, and then, out of no where you say it has been in the shop the whole time. Kind of weird...you think?
Re: Your list is growing.
Yet he continues to challenge people to prove he's a liar...
Yet he continues to challenge people to prove he's a liar...
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