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not trying to be a smart alec but with high traffic densities and a small country plus the european habit of wearing race leathers and helmets everytime you're on the bike, you guys probably don't have the chance to ride as fast or as hard as us.



For example I can leave my house and within a few minutes can be on mountain passes and hitting over a hundred almost at will. The only thing stopping me is the occasional log truck and wandering herds of Elk. Unfortunatly they can both stop you pretty dam quick LOL
 

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"The problem is not you killing yourself (Darwin would approve), but you splattering 1/2 your brain on the sidewalk and leaving enough in your skull to live. Now society (or your insurance i.e. everyone else, or do you believe in Santa?) gets to pay a zillion $$ to keep you alive till you die of old age."



Only in a socialist nanny state emiles. Why is it that everyone in the world seems to be looking at government as the great diaper changer of society?
 

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Re: Hey longride.

"And it can't happen here.

Oh it can't happen here.

You're safe mommy

You're safe daddy

You just get a little TV dinner and cook it up, cook it up

And it can't happen here."

If you liked that, next is a rendition of "Brown Shoes Don't Make it."
 

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Careful ncelik, if you start making rational observations about the loss of freedom in our society you will be accused of being an out of the mainstream extremist.
 

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I live in the heart of Seattle, I5 is 4 blocks from my house in Eastlake. I can do 100 on that too, as long as its not rush hour. In fact, I sometimes do, from the roanoke entrance to 65th where I go buy kickass steaks from Whole Foods. Great excuse for a 2 mile ride. I wear race leathers and a helmet every time; I ride multiple times per day. I don't know how that limits me, but apparently it does.
 

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Careful Dave, Your ignorance is showing. Here in California, at least we have a government czar of insurance elected by the boobocracy to make sure that those evil insurance companies aren't "gouging" the populace. This pretty much put a damper on "MY" free market insurance system, and makes you liable for my brain.
 

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I don't know how often you can hit 100 on I-5 going through Seattle or anywhere between South Center and Everett unless it's midnight or you're a lot braver than I am.



Anyway you're missing my point, population densities are a lot greater in europe than anywhere West of the Mississippi outside of big cities. If you're doing 100 on Eastlake or Lake city Way or any Seattle streets you really need to think about how long you want to live.



At any rate, you're talking about getting leathered up for a 2 mile ride, I'm talking about the hundred or so miles from my house to Yakima on 410, two totaly different riding enviroments
 

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The Autobahn is a limited access high speed highway or were you refering to the Kraftwerk electronica from the 70's?



At anyrate I would expcet your population densities and geographical areas would preclude you from any real high speed work outside of track days which would be much safer than city riding.
 

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speaking also as a european, the laws have been up til recently ...16 year old 50cc moped ..17 year old bike under 125cc and after passing your test and having a full 125cc licence for 2 years you can get a provsional licence for bikes over 125cc which you will also have to do a test for in order to get a full licence...

the idea of wearing leathers or helmets doesnt raise such an issue because due to the weather rain or cold etc it is impossible to go without either .. i dont see these laws as particularily draconian but maybe that is just because of the general european history to bike licences. from what i see despite these laws bike usuage tends to be higher in europe than the US especially for commuting . I pretty much support any initiative which leads to better riders however the cost does appear to be high....
 

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You are OK Van and seruzawa

Hey I don't care what the other extremist say about you.. You are alright with me.. :) I had to go back and read what Gabe said.. Have to agree with him on your views. They are outside mainstream political thought... But I wouldn't want you to stop talking about them etc. seruzawa makes a good point with his slavery argument... Hey I learn a lot from both of you guys.. Haven't read much of davidhanner yet.. hope to hear more..
 

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"what i see despite these laws bike usuage tends to be higher in europe than the US especially for commuting" Excellent Point.. That and high gas prices... Maybe when gas hits $4.00 here in the U.S. folks might change their attitudes.
 

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"Maybe when gas hits $4.00 here in the U.S. folks might change their attitudes."



That's still cheap compared to current EU gas prices .. now about EUR 1,40 per liter (= almost $5/gallon)
 

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Why not combine both - nothing better than driving down the Autobahn while listening to the long version of the Kraftwerk song! (You are forgiven everything you say from now on, just by knowing about Kraftwerk's Autobahn masterpiece - yep, I am a fan)



I remember when I used to pick my commute so I had to get onto 3 different highways, each for 1 exit only. Used to hit 200km/h almost every morning, despite a speed limit of 130km/h. Still puts a smile on my face. Granted, I used to come to work fairly late, so the main rush hour was over. Glory days...
 
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