Ditto..I'm fine with the 650 displacement..just not where it's made. On the other hand, $10K is steep for a 650...if an American made motor puts that number any higher, I'd just as well go with the SV.
Fischer MRX 650: Would you buy one?
Nope.
I ain't buyin' an "American" bike with a Hyosung Motor.
When I decide to buy American, it will be a CityX for me thanks.
I ain't buyin' an "American" bike with a Hyosung Motor.
When I decide to buy American, it will be a CityX for me thanks.
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That's a great looking bike...and I don't have too many illusions that when I "buy American", my new car, bike, sound system, etc., won't include plenty of parts made overseas somewhere. The deal-killer for me would be the comparable value; if it's not worth the extra money in parts, performance, or appearance, I'll shop elsewhere. I'm fairly certain there are enough folks out there that want something "unique" and will pay the extra money just to have it, and that's cool with me. Eventually, the balance of value and price will either make it marketable or not. Hope things work out well for them!
Why not? Since Harleys are overpriced and loaded with foreign-made parts, why should Americans turn away from the overpriced Fisher made with a few foreign parts.... engine, electrics, suspension, tires, battery, brakes....... er, exactly what part of the bike is built in the USA?
Q: Which comparable Japanese 650cc V-twin bike sells for $8.5K?
A: There aren't any.
So what the hell is Fisher talking about? I guess he's referring to the 600 supersports.
Don't get me wrong, I hope he's successful. But I ain't laying down $10K for an 800 much less a 650 with a V-Twin engine from Korea. On the other hand there are so many people willing to toss big bucks down the drain so they can bring home a chopper that there might be enough people who'll want a Fisher. At least it won't be an overly dangerous sort of contraption like a chopper.
On the plus side, since the bike is built mainly from quality import parts we will probably avoid a repeat of the "Indian Copycat Motorcycle Junk Company".
Q: Which comparable Japanese 650cc V-twin bike sells for $8.5K?
A: There aren't any.
So what the hell is Fisher talking about? I guess he's referring to the 600 supersports.
Don't get me wrong, I hope he's successful. But I ain't laying down $10K for an 800 much less a 650 with a V-Twin engine from Korea. On the other hand there are so many people willing to toss big bucks down the drain so they can bring home a chopper that there might be enough people who'll want a Fisher. At least it won't be an overly dangerous sort of contraption like a chopper.
On the plus side, since the bike is built mainly from quality import parts we will probably avoid a repeat of the "Indian Copycat Motorcycle Junk Company".
I think that there are many people who would love an American Sportbike and would pay a premium for it but the product has to be up to snuff. The heart of any bike is the engine and a 77hp korean 650 in a 400lb bike isn't that inspiring no matter what the rest of the bike is like.
I wouldn't buy it and I can't think of anyone that would.
I wouldn't buy it and I can't think of anyone that would.
I'd be a hell of a lot more likely to buy it with a Harley/Buell engine or an aftermarket American V-Twin.
Shock absorbers or brakes from another country is one thing, outsourcing the motor to Korea is a whole different story.
Buying this to me would feel like admitting we just can't build a modern sportbike motor in this country.
Just like everything else going overseas, this is a shame to me that they can't figure out a way to make a modern motor here. Do we suck that bad? Triumph can do it without paying their factory workers slave wages...
Besides I bet this thing will get smoked by a Buell, much less a japanese bike.
They shouldn't even have all that US patriotic stuff on the website.
Shock absorbers or brakes from another country is one thing, outsourcing the motor to Korea is a whole different story.
Buying this to me would feel like admitting we just can't build a modern sportbike motor in this country.
Just like everything else going overseas, this is a shame to me that they can't figure out a way to make a modern motor here. Do we suck that bad? Triumph can do it without paying their factory workers slave wages...
Besides I bet this thing will get smoked by a Buell, much less a japanese bike.
They shouldn't even have all that US patriotic stuff on the website.
What is the point of this bike?
It doesn't provide anything that's not already available. (Other than the "American" label, which is clearly a misnomer in this case, given the engine.)
It doesn't provide anything that's not already available. (Other than the "American" label, which is clearly a misnomer in this case, given the engine.)
Dude! Awesome Piece! LMAO
"as we all know, a huge top end on the street is really only useful as an effective way to clean up the gene pool."
Far as the Hysong engine, I checked the Fischer website you posted, and I couldnt find how its carbureted. If Fischer can get the power delivery right, and the chassis is as advertised, it might be the bike most us should be riding. Unfortunately, numbers matter, so Im sure the engines going to be a hard sell. Luckily (and, this is my reptile speaking) I know that several of Brittens former engine-people are out there and that would be a great pedigree to add to the Fischer (one Hellava engine, too). However, there would definitely be difficulty in dealing with the Britten Company, as it stands now.
Apparently, all thats left of Britten is a glorified souvenir shop and a management that only cares about making as much money as possible from Johns name (and, dont anyone go flaming for that cause I can back it up). While that is absolutely FUBAR, since the Britten name has only so much shelf-life, it may be possible to pry the name out of their greedy-little-hands, for a reasonable figure. If not, Brittens former people (most of whom wish the current Britten management were dead) are still out there (and, we both know how THAT could be made to work).
Okay, gotta go before my skin starts shedding.
Again, Great Piece!
Kevin
Far as the Hysong engine, I checked the Fischer website you posted, and I couldnt find how its carbureted. If Fischer can get the power delivery right, and the chassis is as advertised, it might be the bike most us should be riding. Unfortunately, numbers matter, so Im sure the engines going to be a hard sell. Luckily (and, this is my reptile speaking) I know that several of Brittens former engine-people are out there and that would be a great pedigree to add to the Fischer (one Hellava engine, too). However, there would definitely be difficulty in dealing with the Britten Company, as it stands now.
Apparently, all thats left of Britten is a glorified souvenir shop and a management that only cares about making as much money as possible from Johns name (and, dont anyone go flaming for that cause I can back it up). While that is absolutely FUBAR, since the Britten name has only so much shelf-life, it may be possible to pry the name out of their greedy-little-hands, for a reasonable figure. If not, Brittens former people (most of whom wish the current Britten management were dead) are still out there (and, we both know how THAT could be made to work).
Okay, gotta go before my skin starts shedding.
Again, Great Piece!
Kevin
My sentiments exactly. The frame is a product of the USA. I'm also assuming the bodywork is, too. Gemini also did the top end work on the motor (sqeezing another eight or nine hp from it.) Not sure where the wheels and controls will be from.
I'd be much more inclined to think that the MRX would be better accepted with a higher output engine that, at least, was not designed and built in Asia, even if it upped the price another grand or so.
Although, a supercharged version would be an entirely different animal in the market. If it could make around 100 hp, it might get a second look.
The other problem is that Hyosung is releasing the Comet 650 here this year (very similar to the SV650) for about $6000.00--and apparently a very nice bike, to boot. And they also have plans to follow that up with a liter sport bike soon after. How is any potential Fischer buyer going to feel about the fact that his/her $10K bike is powered by the same engine as a bike that costs 40% less?
I'd be much more inclined to think that the MRX would be better accepted with a higher output engine that, at least, was not designed and built in Asia, even if it upped the price another grand or so.
Although, a supercharged version would be an entirely different animal in the market. If it could make around 100 hp, it might get a second look.
The other problem is that Hyosung is releasing the Comet 650 here this year (very similar to the SV650) for about $6000.00--and apparently a very nice bike, to boot. And they also have plans to follow that up with a liter sport bike soon after. How is any potential Fischer buyer going to feel about the fact that his/her $10K bike is powered by the same engine as a bike that costs 40% less?
If you look at the onewheeldrive.net piece, there's a computer rendering of the motor. You'll see the carbs there. Plus, I know for a fact that the Hyosung Comet 650--the bike this engine was designed for--has good, ole' fashioned carbs.
By the way, I've heard the same thing about Britten. Apparently, anyone who had anything to do with the actual motorcycles has departed--at least some very angry.
I don't thing they could make the Britten name stick with that motor, and I think it's obvious Fischer doesn't have the resources to develop one from the ground up--even with the Britten people on board. Plus, they'd have to abandon the American-made positioning, although in reality, they kind of done that de facto anyway.
By the way, I've heard the same thing about Britten. Apparently, anyone who had anything to do with the actual motorcycles has departed--at least some very angry.
I don't thing they could make the Britten name stick with that motor, and I think it's obvious Fischer doesn't have the resources to develop one from the ground up--even with the Britten people on board. Plus, they'd have to abandon the American-made positioning, although in reality, they kind of done that de facto anyway.
While it's a stretch to call any vehical American made, I could see a great selling point in getting the Britten name on board. There is a history and an admiration in the sport bike world for what he did, and the motor was a howler to.
As far as the Fischer bike, I like the looks, it seems to have most of the right stuff, the motor makes it DOA. They need to stop the flag waving, get a decent mill into what looks like an otherwise well executed machine
As far as the Fischer bike, I like the looks, it seems to have most of the right stuff, the motor makes it DOA. They need to stop the flag waving, get a decent mill into what looks like an otherwise well executed machine
I'm not disagreeing. It's just that they've already shown their hand with the "American-made" stuff. That's probably the whole essence of their business model, although I agree that they've botched it with that motor. That's probably how they're wooing any potential investors: "Hey, there's a big demand for a real American sport bike; it's the only way to compete with the Japanese in the U.S."
Unfortunately, by most people's standards, this is neither a "real" sport bike or a "real American" sport bike.
The Britten angle is a whole different plan of attack. And being that Britten is so closely tied to his own country--the romance associated with Britten is due in large part to the fact that he and his team hail from pip-squeak New Zealand--I'm not sure you can just superimpose the Britten name on an "American" bike. Maybe if he employed a good part of Britten's team, Fischer could sell an American-New Zealander alliance to take on the Japanese.
Of course, the problem with all of this is money. Fischer would have to fork over large sums of cash to pry the Britten name from the boneheads who own it. Plus he'd most likely have to transplant the former-Britten personnel.
The Britten-Fischer MRXV-1000? Maybe it could work. But it would cost him.
Unfortunately, by most people's standards, this is neither a "real" sport bike or a "real American" sport bike.
The Britten angle is a whole different plan of attack. And being that Britten is so closely tied to his own country--the romance associated with Britten is due in large part to the fact that he and his team hail from pip-squeak New Zealand--I'm not sure you can just superimpose the Britten name on an "American" bike. Maybe if he employed a good part of Britten's team, Fischer could sell an American-New Zealander alliance to take on the Japanese.
Of course, the problem with all of this is money. Fischer would have to fork over large sums of cash to pry the Britten name from the boneheads who own it. Plus he'd most likely have to transplant the former-Britten personnel.
The Britten-Fischer MRXV-1000? Maybe it could work. But it would cost him.
Yea, its a shame whats happened to the Britten company.
It's probably true that they are "selling" this bike to investors right now, and the least costly method of production would be to use an existing motor from another manufacturer. The big four don't usually sell their motors to competitors, so they go with a Korean manuf. So they can get into production faster than designing and tooling your own motor.
Hopefully they can sell enough of these to make their own motor.
The concept is a good formula for a fun bike, small, light, decent power.
What motor should go into this bike?
It's probably true that they are "selling" this bike to investors right now, and the least costly method of production would be to use an existing motor from another manufacturer. The big four don't usually sell their motors to competitors, so they go with a Korean manuf. So they can get into production faster than designing and tooling your own motor.
Hopefully they can sell enough of these to make their own motor.
The concept is a good formula for a fun bike, small, light, decent power.
What motor should go into this bike?
I have to differ a bit. The MRX IS a "real" sportbike. It may not have the arbitrary 100hp minimum in demand by the squidlies, but it is still a sportbike. After all, Ninja 250s, GS500Fs, SV650Ss and the like are sportbikes.
I refuse to let a few spec-junkies redefine "real" sport riding as riding 100+ hp bikes. For me, a blast around the mountains on an RD400 or a GS500 is more fun than the same on a 150hp literbike. You'd seldom get out of first gear on a CBR1000R. And you'd spend too much time worrying because you forgot your parachute.
But then, I could give a f%^k less what anyone else thinks about the bike I'm on. I buy it for me, not to pose.
I refuse to let a few spec-junkies redefine "real" sport riding as riding 100+ hp bikes. For me, a blast around the mountains on an RD400 or a GS500 is more fun than the same on a 150hp literbike. You'd seldom get out of first gear on a CBR1000R. And you'd spend too much time worrying because you forgot your parachute.
But then, I could give a f%^k less what anyone else thinks about the bike I'm on. I buy it for me, not to pose.
How about a 750 triple? That would give a bit of uniqueness. More HP and torque (especially) than a supersport. Fisher is obviously not planning to field a racing team.
I think they would have done better to start out with a Rotax twin. An undeniable facet of the "buy American" crowd is a larger distaste for oriental imports than european ones. Unfair maybe, but difficult to dispute.
I think they would have done better to start out with a Rotax twin. An undeniable facet of the "buy American" crowd is a larger distaste for oriental imports than european ones. Unfair maybe, but difficult to dispute.
I'd buy one, but I'm weird. I have an RC51 set up as a track bike (ohlins, race bodywork, titanium exhaust, as much weight off as possible) and it's too heavy and too powerful for my current abilities.
I really like v-twin power delivery, so I'm thinking maybe a 749 but it's still on the heavy side, maybe an XB9R but I used to work on Buells and found them primitive and more show than go, SV650 but it wasn't meant to be a track bike and I'd have to replace just about everything but the frame and motor. Laverda 650, except that the company's essentially defunct and it's not a V-twin.
Too bad the Japanese market no longer produces 400cc racers, because a 300lb 400cc RC51 would be the dog's bollocks, if a bit low on power.
But this looks like an SV motor in a race frame. Can't find specs, but presumably it would be lighter than a 749? So I'd buy one if it's light enough.
I really like v-twin power delivery, so I'm thinking maybe a 749 but it's still on the heavy side, maybe an XB9R but I used to work on Buells and found them primitive and more show than go, SV650 but it wasn't meant to be a track bike and I'd have to replace just about everything but the frame and motor. Laverda 650, except that the company's essentially defunct and it's not a V-twin.
Too bad the Japanese market no longer produces 400cc racers, because a 300lb 400cc RC51 would be the dog's bollocks, if a bit low on power.
But this looks like an SV motor in a race frame. Can't find specs, but presumably it would be lighter than a 749? So I'd buy one if it's light enough.
Somebody! Anybody! PLease!
Back before Christmas, I was working on a column about Britten and bouncing Emails with John Britten's biographer. From what he said, the engine and the people are still out there and the engine can be had.
While I'm certain I wouldn't buy a Hysong- powered Fischer, I'm pretty sure the same bike with a Britten engine might pique my interest.
I don't care who does it; I just wish someone would use Britten's engine. Not only would it make great sense from as a power plant, it would also keep John Britten's name alive.
And, from marketing stand point, (((YEOW!)))
If I couldnt "Spin" Britten, Id shoot myself!
Back before Christmas, I was working on a column about Britten and bouncing Emails with John Britten's biographer. From what he said, the engine and the people are still out there and the engine can be had.
While I'm certain I wouldn't buy a Hysong- powered Fischer, I'm pretty sure the same bike with a Britten engine might pique my interest.
I don't care who does it; I just wish someone would use Britten's engine. Not only would it make great sense from as a power plant, it would also keep John Britten's name alive.
And, from marketing stand point, (((YEOW!)))
If I couldnt "Spin" Britten, Id shoot myself!
I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. What I meant by "most people's standards" are the perceptions of the sport bike buyers at large.
The original "sports cars" of the 50's and 60's were small and agile, but not very powerful, even by that era's standards. So I agree that the Fischer is a sport bike (assuming it works), but I'm not sure enough of the target audience will view a $10K "underpowered" bike that way. After all, a Ninja 250s, GS500s, EX500s, etc., don't cost anywhere near what the Fischer will.
The original "sports cars" of the 50's and 60's were small and agile, but not very powerful, even by that era's standards. So I agree that the Fischer is a sport bike (assuming it works), but I'm not sure enough of the target audience will view a $10K "underpowered" bike that way. After all, a Ninja 250s, GS500s, EX500s, etc., don't cost anywhere near what the Fischer will.
Re: Somebody! Anybody! PLease!
I wonder what it would cost. Hell, if Fischer can't do it, maybe we could take up a collection? Buzz has got some extra greenbacks floating around, I'm sure. We might have to dig up a few more Kpaul's relatives, though.
I wonder what it would cost. Hell, if Fischer can't do it, maybe we could take up a collection? Buzz has got some extra greenbacks floating around, I'm sure. We might have to dig up a few more Kpaul's relatives, though.
Everything you've is true...
I can't argue with anything you said, but I might modify thing a bit.
Several of the Brittens guys are developing their own engines, and that is one-direction things can go in.
Also, being that Brittens widow is a "Greedy" and "Moronic" and the clock on the Names shelf-life is ticking, there could be wiggle-room their.
Further more, the engine is a beast but it aint real complex Okay, the belts a b!tch, that can be fixed. So, the possibility of manufacturing in the US isnt completely out of the question.
Now, I realize all of that would be a PAIN; but I gotta wonder, wouldn't you Kill for a chance to "spin" this one?
I can't argue with anything you said, but I might modify thing a bit.
Several of the Brittens guys are developing their own engines, and that is one-direction things can go in.
Also, being that Brittens widow is a "Greedy" and "Moronic" and the clock on the Names shelf-life is ticking, there could be wiggle-room their.
Further more, the engine is a beast but it aint real complex Okay, the belts a b!tch, that can be fixed. So, the possibility of manufacturing in the US isnt completely out of the question.
Now, I realize all of that would be a PAIN; but I gotta wonder, wouldn't you Kill for a chance to "spin" this one?
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