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Let the battle begin

I can see how this is going to launch another heated debate between the two sides of the helmet debate.

Me, I say let Darwin do his magic.

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How can you blame people for stupid behaviour when the example set in the movies and TV is to NEVER do up the chin strap. Research has shown that serious injury can occur in subsquent head-bashing (on the road surface) while tumbling, after the helmet has parted company.
 

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It has nothing to do with helmets. He didn't know how to ride PERIOD. End of story right there. He was a 5 minute hero on a GSXR 750 until he had to turn. No license, no skill. Ask Jay Williams from the Bulls about that situation a couple years back when he solo crashed his R6 and nearly tore his leg off hitting a pole. Again, no license, no skill, and now no basketball career, but plenty of horsepower. Maybe he should have worn a helmet on his leg? Here's a better idea. Stay off motorcycles if you don't have the respect for the machine and the skill to ride one.
 

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I think that it's Kellen, not Kevin. And to be really super, duper technical, it's Kellen Winslow Jr.; there's a plain Kellen Winslow who was also a football player, but from the late 1970s and early 1980s.



He's the moderately stable gentlemen who went off on the "I'm a soldier" tirade a couple of years back when he was at UM - a fantastic athlete, but perhaps a little bit full of himself. He's also apparently not the sharpest tool in the shed, scoring a 12 on the Wonderlic (out of 50) at the NFL combine. While not an IQ test, outcomes tend to be statistically correlated with IQ, although there are other factors, and obvious 1st round draft choices probably don't take it entirely seriously.



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I agree with the respect factor

BUT...

"Stay off motorcycles if you don't have ... the skill to ride one. "



If this were true no one would ever ride - skill is a gained via practice (maybe in a parking lot)
 

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My voodoo doll worked! I drafted Winslow in my fantasy league last year and he promptly screwed me by getting injured in the first game and missed the whole year. I've been stabbing that thing in the knee ever since.
 

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And it is not possible that any of the 4 people riding with him were teaching him anything? You may be right that it was just a bunch of hooligans playing with their new toys, but we don't know that for sure.



I am thankful I didn't make the news every time I made a mistake.
 

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i dont understand why some people are being critical. so he was probably stunting and he did not have a lot of riding experience. so? he was in an empty parking lot. seems like a good place to be goofing around rather than on the road. how many riders did not launch their dirt bikes and bicycles off ramps as kids? goofing is fun; we all have probably done it a little from time to time. he messed up and now he's hurt and probably learned something. let's give the guy a break. there is no problem stunting around in the proper environment, and it seems he had that. as for the no helmet straps, now that was stupid!
 

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From the news article, it sounds to me like this guy was being more responsible about riding his new high-horsepower sportbike than many new squids.....accepting instruction from some (at least somewhat) more experienced riders in an empty parking lot with mitigated risk. At least it was 35mph into some bushes rather than 135mph into the side of someone's car. I say give the guy a break. He shouldn't face any charges and he was being as responsible as any of us could ask, and more so than many of us were when we started riding ourselves. My 3rd ride on a motorcycle, after about 30 minutes of experience on an older bike, was on my friend's brand-new '96 GSXR750, on a public road, no helmet, shorts, t-shirt.
 

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As usual the news article is so short on details that it's impossible to figure out what really occurred. Getting into trouble doesn't require being a stuntaz if you are riding an FZ1 in a parking lot. This incident could have been as simple as some guy merely getting over his head on a 130hp bike while trying to learn.



Another reason to require tiered licensing. You don't put a pilot trainee in a carrier launched A/F-18 on his first flight do you? You don't put a teenager in a Turbo Carrera on his first lesson do you? What makes people who would never try the above to think that they can get away with learning on an R6?
 

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The full story was in my local paper this morning. Several different AP versions come across the wire and some papers choose to run the short version.



He was riding his newly purchased 2005 GSXR750 while "practicing" in a parking lot sans helmet straps or qualified instruction apparently.



Can you just hear the salesman and his buddies telling him to get the smaller 750 rather than a 1000 because it's a "better beginner's bike?" Mr ALLCAPS would be proud.
 

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Come on guys, this is going to happen a couple hundred more times before the weekend.

Practice in a parking lot with friends.....$0

Getting spooked and yanking on the gas....$0

Hitting curb and wrecking new bike.......$9,000

Not strapping helmet..........Stupid
 
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