[sportbikebandit]

Not a net wash dude. (It's 4.3:1 payback)

A great point but did you read the article? I posted I don't think so

"Overall Energy Balance (each unit of energy put in yields....) [higher is better] 3.2 units (soy)

4.3 units (rapeseed) 0.5 units (electrolyzing water into hydrogen with renewable sources)"

So it for each unit of energy you put in you get 3.2 units or 4.3 back.....

hydrogen vs diesel

I know I was skeptical like you but I challenge you keep asking those types of questions and doing the research cause biodiesel wins It's being sold to day... Heck even in Texas Willy Nelson owns a few stations....

 

[sportbikebandit]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

We plan to.... I finally convinced the wife...

 

[Buzglyd]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

Well as long as she's in a good mood, you might want to ask if you can have your balls for the weekend.

 

[sportbikebandit]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

LOL I don't think I can go that far.

 

[35244]

Holding your breath until that happens should not be a problem.

 

[35244]

Re: Not a net wash dude. (It's 4.3:1 payback)

I did read the article and noticed a nice pictoral, speeches, etc. on the NBB Site by your archfiend - the Bushmeister. HAH! He was saying favorable things. Which means nothing. The market will decide.

Actually for once, I hope you are kinda right. However I'm not yet ready to buy all of the claims. Going to need to see more, er..skeptical types do some real world testing & analysis.

The University world is a vast elephant boneyard of seeming good ideas that don't pan out for all sorts of reasons.

I'd say more, LOTS more. But I rather not take a chance that some of my ole grad school partners in crime might be reading this.

 

[33342]

Re: Bets anyone?

Kpaul is doing well, please don't antagonize him. Really.

--Ashley

 

[sportbikebandit]

A real world user's story and locations you can buy it now in progressive Seattle

click here

stations

 

[33342]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

I did, I own two diesels, a 2005 Ford truck (in Thailand) and a Monaco Dynasty Princess, the former gets about 35 mpg on the highway and the latter, oh, maybe seven, but it sure rolls in style.

So, I'm going to big a big financial backer of biodiesel ;-)

I wanted a Jeep Liberty diesel here in the USA, but you can't buy them in California and I really just had to have a Benz. Buzz, you know how that goes.

Brazil is mostly ethanol these days, and they produce it

from sugar cane grown there. They have something like 250 million acres available to grow more, and they're just about there in being self-supported with renewable fuels. It's been a 30-year campaign. Most impressive. Why couldn't we have done the same after the 1970s embargo?

Almost all new cars in Brazil can run on gasoline, ethanol or any mix between the two. They maintain a small gasoline reserve near the engine for cold-starting needs.

Biodisel and ethanol are the no-big-thinkers-needed solution to being energy independent. Heck, civilian and agrarian waste can be processed into fuel -- eat and consume more and have more fuel! What could be better for America?

 

[1747]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

don't be going all intellectual on us Cashley. There is tons of oil soon as we club all the baby harp seals off the drilling site. Fossul fuel Forever!

 

[sportbikebandit]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

"Biodisel and ethanol are the no-big-thinkers-needed solution to being energy independent" Well said. In engineering school we had a professor that always said KISS keep it simple stupid. There is a tendancy for engineers to over think and over engineer things. My wife can testify that me and my buddies tend to over think things. The Hydrogen solution reminds me of that I forgot about the Brazil ethanol thing Great example Ashley...

 

[35244]

Re: A real world user's story and locations you can buy it now in progressive Seattle

Nice "fan" sites and nice to see some WA State availability.

You'll know it is on the verge of success when major ( meaning for profit) fleets start implementing.

 

[pplassm]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

Ethanol and "Biodiesel" (Really waste oil) are only economical now because they are seen as largely waste products. If there was large scale use of them as vehicle fuels, their cost advantage would dissappear. Ethanol is not as efficient as petro-fuels, and Biodiesel has air pollution consequences that are, as of now, unregulated.

Please believe me when I say I am am ready as anyone for the silver bullet to vehicular energy use, but "Biodiesel", ethanol, and, IMNSHO, Hydrogen fuel cells, all have severe roadblocks to overcome before they can match petro fuels for efficiency and cost.

Time to drill in that small patch of the Alaska coast that they're asking for.

 

[Buzglyd]

Re: The Hydrogen Hoax

Well I can hardly wait until we're just like Brazil!

I just think it's odd that this is a site dedicated to the burning of fossil fuels.

Does anyone really want a bio-diesel motorcycle?

Our highways will smell like the inside of jb's Jagrolet.

Ashley that's a great excuse for getting a Benz. I was really planning to buy a Honda and missed the turn and ended up at the Mv Agusta shop.

 

[pplassm]

"according to moveon.org.... "



LOL!

 

[Buzglyd]

Re: A real world user's story and locations you can buy it now in progressive Seattle

And then the libs will start screaming, "Big Cooking Oil!"

And they'll claim we're being raped by Wesson because Archer Daniels Midland!!! gave money to **** Cheney! and TOM DELAY!!!!!

 

[pplassm]

Re: A real world user's story and locations you can buy it now in progressive Seattle

Yeah, but then Kpaul, errrr SBB, will just claim that the corporations are highjacking it for nefarious use and eventual destruction.

 

[Buzglyd]

Monaco Dynasty Princess?

Is that like Barbi's car or something?

 

[sportbikebandit]

Based on what your opinion. Alaska drilling is a drop in the bucket.

Please site studies that support your opinion. Give me facts and data please. Biodiiesel is the silver bullet. Your first paragraph is incorrect false.... Please look at the all links I have posted. I don't want to repost them here cause that would be spamming. Your pollution statement is incorrect according to the EPA. Please site facts i.e. links that explain why biodiesel is not the answer. Take all the money we spend in Iraq invest in biodiesel tax credits. Bingo instant production infrastructure... the road to energy independance

Alaska drilling is a drop in the bucket. i.e it will make some of Ws friends rich...

 

[sportbikebandit]

PetroDiesel has the smell Buz not Bio

Another myth about diesel Buz.