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...In other news, killer walks free in California due to police not witnessing the murder. "We have no way of citing someone we did not observe killing," said Officer Grace Brady, a police spokeswoman. "From our perspective, there is no violation," Miller said.
 

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You can get away with this in FL too. A few years back a friend of mine had his business plowed into by a drunk driver and wiped out the front of his store. The drunk was then able to climb out of the car and wait for the police to arrive. He said he wasnt driving, someone from the bar was driving him home and since no one could prove otherwise, he walked
 

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So they're saying, other than the dead body, there is no evidence of a crime?



Got a link to this story?



Also, reading between the lines, are you suggesting that MO is struggling for content this AM?



I think perhaps the staff is still stunned and in shock over Sean's dance routine?



MO: Do ya'll need help reviewing submissions? (There were 127 when I submitted two days ago) I'd promise to follow any guidelines you set. I'd even sign an agreement to that effect.
 

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Re: No bike endorsement?

Arnold had an Austrian license and, as far as I am concerned, could and should be allowed to drive motorcycles anyway - until the cows come home. California's licensing procedure is a joke, both for autos and motorcycles. When compared to most of the European nations our drivers are an insult to road safety and common sense.
In CA you have 30 days to get a CA license once you establish residency no matter what foreign licence you have (mine is English and doesn't expire until I'm 70 but I still had to get a CA one).
 

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To those who say he had a valid Austrian license, blah blah.... I had a valid Italian license, but then I moved here, became a legal resident and later a citizen, and havae had valid licenses in every state I lived in (currently, California, and I do have a motorcycle endorsement). There are rules as to how long your foreign license is valid. In the governor's case, he can't claim his Austrian license should be valid. Also, it's a question of fairness: if you get stopped by a cop here they can ticket you for lack of a motorcycle endorsement. Should only Austrian-born governor exempted from that law? The licensing system might be a joke, but at least you have to answer a motorcycle specific written exam's question, and show that you can do some basic bike handling in front of a DMV examiner.
 

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What a load of horse crap. It really is good to be the king! A sidecar is attached to a motorcycle. For licensing purposes, it is a motorcycle as the sidecar does not even get registered. The governorator is a violater of the law. Hell, you all recalled the last one had he did not even break any laws!



Saying that, would I use confusion about what laws apply to motorcycles and sidecars, bet your sweet a$$ I would, and do, and have. However, it is still a motorcycle...regardless of what political appointee of the Arnold's take on California's motor vehicle code is...



BTW, BigJames is also the president of the Georgia Sidecar Club and actually knows about this particular subject.
 

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So the rich and powerful are above the rules the rest of us live by. It is the natural order of things. If being rich and powerful didn't have perks like that, what would be the point of being rich and powerful? If there were no perks, there would be no reason to be R & P, and soon there would be a real shortage of them. Think of the impact to the Hummer and Escalade market.
 

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The Governor could do a lot good for motorcyclists image to the general public. He should take this opportunity to take an MSF class and then hold a press conference letting people know the merits of the class. Perhaps some licensed bikers who haven't taken a MSF class would then do so. He could also emphasize that future riders should take the class before riding. However, what happens if he fails the class?



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Arnie needs to apologise to us fellow California bike riders for his oversight in regard to the bike endorsement, and then he should go down to the DMV and take the test like the rest of us have done.



He can even get some positive spin out of this if he wants to. Perhaps he can take an MSF class first, with publicity, and speak some words about how he supports motorcycle training and safety. This is an opportunity for him to get some positive press (God knows he could use some) as well as generate some motorcycle awareness among the non-riding masses. If I were on his PR staff that's how I would work it... you know, lemons to lemonade etc.
 

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This is total BS All us low life MC riders that have to have all the right documentation including a valid MC licence pisses me off! We should all when going to the DMV mention "why should I be equired to have a MC licence when even the Goven or doen't take the laws seriously!



He is an idiot!!!!!!!!
 

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  • You do not need a class M1 or M2 license to drive a motorcycle with a sidecar in Califorrnia. This is covered in 12804.9 of the California Vehicle Code, which you can look up here.
  • An Austrian driver's license don't mean squat unless you're a "visitor." Presumably, the Governor signed a sworn statement that he was a resident of California before he even ran for office.
  • A cop cannot cite a driver for violation he didn't witness (a crime, which this was not, is a different story).

However, he is in violation of the law when he's on a regular motorcycle. I agree with the suggestion that he ought to make a well publicized trip to MSF to get his M1 and to spotlight proper training to boot.
 

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wait wait... did you say mertis of a MSF class?

bahahahaha... that's a good one!
 

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GPTB silent consent

LOL I agree.Notice the GPTB is silent... longride and Buz's hero caught with his pants down no full face helmet, no training, and no license... I am sure if this story was about a squid basketball player Buz and longride would be all over it....
 

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So if someone shows up to the CHP with a video tape of Arnie riding his Harley in the Love Ride last year does that count as "witnessing the violation" or does it have to be live and in person?



Frankly, I don't really care as it's clear that in this instance with the sidecar he wasn't in violation of any laws. However, I agree with others here that he should find some time to turn this into something positive.



With all of the focus on fuel-efficiency and emissions in CA, why not use this to promote MSF classes and the use of motorcycles as a alternative form of transportation in the state?



After having a couple of accidents in the last few years, perhaps our Governor should take an MSF class for his own good anyway.



Regarding the Austrian license, the guy has lived in California for 25 years or so... it's a moot point. He has a CA driver's license, just "forgot" to get a MC endorsement. Oops, sorry, IRS, I "forgot" to pay my taxes last year, you don't mind, do you?



Additionally, if one moves to CA with a valid motorcycle endorsement from another state (not sure about international licenses) there isn't even a need to take the riding test, it transfers automatically after the written test is passed, so the effort required is pretty minimal.



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