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The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Tell me no one is suprised. It's been telegraphed for over a year.
 

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A fellow made an interesting point on another thread about the dealerships needing a super strong sales rate to meet their expenses. In Broward County Rossmeyer went from one "modern" large dealership to three. The original store in the center of the county did great. Then he opened a huge downtown store, which took a lot of business from the first place. There was enough growth though that both did ok. Recently they opened a third, huge store way out West, which according to my friends are totally dead. I was by the original store two weekends ago talking to my Finance Manager friend, and he said it's just as dead as a doornail sales-wise.
 

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Too bad.

A fellow made an interesting point on another thread about the dealerships needing a super strong sales rate to meet their expenses. In Broward County Rossmeyer went from one "modern" large dealership to three. The original store in the center of the county did great. Then he opened a huge downtown store, which took a lot of business from the first place. There was enough growth though that both did ok. Recently they opened a third, huge store way out West, which according to my friends are totally dead. I was by the original store two weekends ago talking to my Finance Manager friend, and he said it's just as dead as a doornail sales-wise.
Lots of foolish business decisions all around. HD (and BMW) got onto this kick where they demanded that their dealers become snob-appeal stores. Now with the credit crunch and plummeting sales of the overpriced lines from the USA and Germany a lot of these dealers with huge operating costs are going to be suc*ing hind tit. More than a few are going to go under. What do the HD and BMW corporate boys care? They've got their golden parachutes.

I bet that the dollar problems are going to hammer BMW and KTM something fierce. Who will be willing to pay $17k for a basic R1200R? Hardly anyone.
 

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It's an industry wide down turn. HD and BMW, Ducati etc are going to be hurt more because they try to cater to an "exclusive" market. The Japanese probably won't fall as far because they have a much more diversified product line in Watercraft, ATV's, Generators, Dirt Bikes as well as cruisers and sport bikes with more low dollar offerings in each catagory.

No doubt the whole recreational vehicle industry will take a hit from high end bikes to RV's to boats and everything else. When the economy cools discretionary spending is the first to stop. Harley has set themselves up for a double shot because their target demographic is aging as well. I don't know how many younger people are going to pony up for whats percieved as dads bike in the first place when the Asian manufacturers are offering more performance and better percieved quality at a lower price, specially for used bikes.
 

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THE GMP PREDICTS, AND IT COMES TO PASS...... Oh, wait - he's not here anymore.......

Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest, a Kook is smashing his keyboard to splinters with his face right about now.

If you predict enough things, in enough directions, eventually one or two of them will "come true". I liken this to the saying; if you stand on a street-corner long enough, eventually, everyone you know will pass by.

I PREDICT that someday, Harley will peak again. If not, they will be bought-out by Honda and will be turned-into another Indian Motorcycles.......
 

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Bingo.

It's an industry wide down turn. HD and BMW, Ducati etc are going to be hurt more because they try to cater to an "exclusive" market. The Japanese probably won't fall as far because they have a much more diversified product line in Watercraft, ATV's, Generators, Dirt Bikes as well as cruisers and sport bikes with more low dollar offerings in each catagory.

No doubt the whole recreational vehicle industry will take a hit from high end bikes to RV's to boats and everything else. When the economy cools discretionary spending is the first to stop. Harley has set themselves up for a double shot because their target demographic is aging as well. I don't know how many younger people are going to pony up for whats percieved as dads bike in the first place when the Asian manufacturers are offering more performance and better percieved quality at a lower price, specially for used bikes.
The local RV/5thwheel dealerships are already crying and moaning.

I find it very difficult to have a lot of sympathy. Everyone of these guys charged top dollar and soaked the buyers for over MSRP premiums when things were fat. Now they'll want us to feel sorry for them. Not a chance.

$2k for Evo basket cases sometime soon!

BTW, you misspelled "perceived". Don't let it happen again.
 

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The Bob Davis article had some remarks about the rabid competition and loyalties of the Indian versus HD era. It got me to thinking how different the US motorcycle manufacturing scene might be today if Indian had survived. Clearly it was a mixed blessing for HD to have a virtual monopoly on domestic bikes for 50 years. Yes, they "owned" the market and became an icon, but it's only this year they came out with a "superbike." I'll bet if Indian had been kicking their @ss at Daytona from time to time, they would have advanced their product line a lot sooner. Just idle thought really...what might have been.

BTW: sometimes I visit C-World. Reading KPAULSQUIDCOOKAVENGER posts is like having your skin sandblasted off an inch at a time. If you're feeling masochistic, wander over sometime.
 

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It's an industry wide down turn. HD and BMW, Ducati etc are going to be hurt more because they try to cater to an "exclusive" market. The Japanese probably won't fall as far because they have a much more diversified product line in Watercraft, ATV's, Generators, Dirt Bikes as well as cruisers and sport bikes with more low dollar offerings in each catagory.

No doubt the whole recreational vehicle industry will take a hit from high end bikes to RV's to boats and everything else. When the economy cools discretionary spending is the first to stop. Harley has set themselves up for a double shot because their target demographic is aging as well. I don't know how many younger people are going to pony up for whats percieved as dads bike in the first place when the Asian manufacturers are offering more performance and better percieved quality at a lower price, specially for used bikes.
You may remove Ducati from the mix. Sales of new bikes are up, again. The 1098 and HM are a smashing success and the new 848 will be, as well. They may be small compared to HD, BMW, and Piaggio (Vespa, Aprilia and Guzzi holdings) but they have excellent management in place, right now. As long as they keep the small company attitude they should keep positive cash flow. Otherwise I agree with your assessment...
 

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To get the curves up HD should do something totally new. If I was them I would build a 2 litre V-8 with cylinder heads sticking out from the sides, obscene chrome exahaust piping all around AND at least 10 million bucks spent only to get the real V-8 warble.

Then, if the company is run by MBA’s and focuses only on milking the cow, pushing the new frontiers are not in. Especially now when the run-of-the mill V-Rod was a disappointment.

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Especially now when the run-of-the mill V-Rod was a disappointment.

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I don't think it's a disapointment so much as not finding a niche. It's an excellent motor and harleys future. My personal view is that the frame is wrong for it. It works as a custom and handled good as the Street Rod but the look was off. I think once they learn how to integrate that engine throughout the line up it'll take off.
 

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I don't think it's a disapointment so much as not finding a niche. It's an excellent motor and harleys future. My personal view is that the frame is wrong for it. It works as a custom and handled good as the Street Rod but the look was off. I think once they learn how to integrate that engine throughout the line up it'll take off.
For me, the whole "clam shell" riding position is wrong on the Rods. Talk about uncomfortable.
 
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