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Aging Cafe` Racer
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I'm on my 8th one, you don't have to tell ME how much they suck, pure hype and junk!
 

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They're doing pretty good now fer' sure. The funny thing is Harley Davidson has always been innovative, for example my 1980 Electra Glide had front and rear disc brakes and electronic ignition with integrated fairing and saddlebags while the majority of the Japanese bikes were still on rear drums and points with aftermarket windshields and bags. I believe only Triumph and BMW offered factory installed components prior to that.

HD has had EFI with no BMW-like surging issues since the 90's, antilock Brembos and throttle by wire since '08 air adjustable suspension, and the first working anti-dive front end back in the 30's with the original springer.

The styling tends to be older because that's wbat appeals to their demographic but they're every bit as modern as anything else out there, a fact proven time and again by Japan Inc's relentless attempts to copy them right down to the tail light shape.
 

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The Clunk is on purpose because that's what their demographic wants. Do you really believe they couldn't figure out how to align a set of gears? Try popping your Honda into first when it's cold.

I agree it's stupid to engineer in "flaws" but that's what the nostalgia crowd wants and they pay good money to get it, the Japanese have done the same thing in their copy cat bikes. Go take a 2013 model Harley for a test drive then tell us what a piece of sh*t it is. Conversely if your basing your opinion on a Shovelhead or Evo, then take an similar model year Japanese bike for a spin and see how "modern" it feels.
 

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Not only is he an aging cafe' racer but apparently an angry Harley guy too. Maybe HOG membership is just around the corner.
Not angry, just picking the fly sh*t out of the pepper. I like Harley because they're fun to ride, plenty of other nice bikes out there too, even those oil leaking Triumphs. Harleys just seem to get under your skin, like a big stupid dog that follows you around and slobbers all over you, you can't help but like the SOB.

As you know I have a group of close friends I ride with. You could gather a few likely suspects and start a Utah chapter if you wish, your DD214 qualifies you.
 

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I've ridden every model HD makes as current as 2012 (thank you Bike Week). Hell I sold them for a year at "The World's Largest Harley Dealership." I have no beef with them; they're good bikes, IF that's what you want. But please, let's not pretend they're something they aren't.

As for my Honda, it has the slickest, smoothest gearbox I've ever ridden, cold, warm, or hot. More than one reviewer has called it the one of best transmissions on the market today. You go ride a CB 1100 and get back to me. If you don't agree, I'll ship you a case of Anchor Steam or whatever other brew you like.
That's not necessary, I've ridden a few Honda's including a new Goldwing in '08 and was suitably impressed, I don't doubt yours is everything you say it is. In my experience most bikes clunk into gear when they're cold, if yours doesn't then it is indeed a well made example.

For me and my money Harley's work the best, many people who've never even ridden one are full of stories. Since you have ridden them your opinion is just as valid as mine and if they're not your cuppa' tea, well fair enough.

My usual summertime brew is Kokanee from British Columbia, it's probably not available outside the Northwest but it's a good crisp lager style beer, perfect for hot weather. Alaskan Amber is another good summer beer. I've never tried Anchor Steam I'm afraid..
 

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So they ran out of shims, what's a little gear slop and a few extra Neutrals among Ducatisti?....
 
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