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We have a helmet law here where i live. It's ok i guess. I don't really like that my gov tells me i HAVE to wear a helmet but thats life and I see their position. If there was no government money involved in the process of getting me from the accident to the hospital i would complain but thats not the case. I think we should wear em and i understand why we are legally obligated to but I still don't like that the government forces us to.

I think most people against helmet laws if they sit down and be honest about it are less upset about wearing a helmet than they are about being told by "the man" what to do while they engage in their rebellious pass time.

as for the actual safety aspect..

well.. when i go out to the bar on Saturdays to hit on women I carry a condom. I'm not legally required to carry a condom. sex is MUCH better without it. to be honest they can be quite a hassle. you have to keep checking to make sure it didn't work itself loose during the mayhem (especially there at the end.) and what if you lose it during fore-play? I wouldn't be surprised if casual sex these days is just as life threatening as riding a bike anyway (oh the diseases you'll catch..)

I carry a condom to the bar for the same reason i wear a helmet on the bike.. because thats what i require to reach what i feel to be a reasonable compromise between self preservation and self abuse..

I say if your aware of the risks (physical, financial and social) and still think its a good idea than ride sans-helmet and the law be damned.. If the math works for you then rock on..
 

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F*CKIN' A, GOD DAM RIGHT START THE REVOLUTION POWER TO THE PEOPLE RIGHT ON F*CK THE PIGS KILL A COMMIE FOR CHRIST BURN IT ALL KILL THE WHITE MAN.....(ummm, hold up on that one,,,)HANOI JANE WAS RIGHT SO WAS THE ASSA-HOLA..WE ARE THE GREAT SATANS AFTER ALL SUPPORT FIRST STRIKE WE START BOMBING IN 5 MINUTES..(oh was this mike on? tee hee)UMMM...YEAH POWER TO THE PEOPLE THE SLA HAS SPOKEN.....

jeezuss, where's the beer, this riot incitin' is thirsty work ....................
I knew I'd reel someone in.

Somebody's gotta take up the slack since he-who-can't-be-named is no longer with us. I just didn't think it would be you. I figured on one of our european pals.
 

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I knew I'd reel someone in.

Somebody's gotta take up the slack since he-who-can't-be-named is no longer with us. I just didn't think it would be you. I figured on one of our european pals.
"I'm just tryin to do my portion Jerry, it's nothing personal. Just tryin to do my portion"
 

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I believe in natural selection. In darwinic sense.

- cruiz-euro
Funny, I've heard that argument almost verbatim about anyone who rides a motorbike under any circumstances. My other favorite is when motorcyclists are called "organ donors." Life is a matter of risk versus reward. If the reward of riding, or riding without a helmet, isn't worth the risk to you, dont! BTW, somebody (acecycleins?) made a point regarding others who depend upon me, that's had me thinking... I may actually change my mind about all this, which is why I enjoy an intelligent discussion with rational people.
 

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This is the Central Scruitinizer.

If you really believed that was true, I think you would have died long ago.
Ha! If there's any place on Earth where darwinian selection is avoided it's freaking Europe. The entire continent's entire population is a ward of the State. All the people capable of original thinking left a century ago.
 

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I may actually change my mind about all this, which is why I enjoy an intelligent discussion with rational people.
We'll have none of that talk HERE, Mister!

Where's Kook when you need him! GPTB! Laws O' Physics! Cruisers can't go or stop! Safest Sportbike in the World! Blah-blah-blah! Whooo-Hooo! Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na........................................................................................................!
 

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...skiers, bicyclists, pedestrians, hikers, kids playing sports, people using swimming pools, surfers.... we could go on and on and on. All these are dangerous activities and anyone being hurt doing these things should be denied taxpayer funded medical care, even though they are paying the "premiums". Yeah, that's the ticket. People being taxed to death and when they get hurt deny them any treatment. We can save lots of money that way! Just hire a couple of guys and a wheelbarrow to haul the bodies away to the landfill. That'll result in lower taxes and premiums you bet!
You're smarter than that, aren't you? My basic beef is- we choose to participate in an activity that IS more dangerous than most. You, me, everyone on this forum have personal responsibility. It's is not my job to keep you healthy. It's not your job to pay my child's medical bills when she breaks a leg on the mx course. I'm not say "Don't treat the injuries". I'm saying don't make anyone but the injured (if at fault) pay their own [email protected] way. You bust that bean don't expect a Joe Taxpayer bailout.
Paying premiums for Insurance gives you the access you need to medical services. That, in no way, is related to my arguement. Health providers should not be allowed to pick and choose the injuries they cover. It all should be covered- no matter the nature or cause of the injury. SEE- the arguements are NOT connected.
 

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Ah, but in fact....

You're smarter than that, aren't you? My basic beef is- we choose to participate in an activity that IS more dangerous than most. You, me, everyone on this forum have personal responsibility. It's is not my job to keep you healthy. It's not your job to pay my child's medical bills when she breaks a leg on the mx course. I'm not say "Don't treat the injuries". I'm saying don't make anyone but the injured (if at fault) pay their own [email protected] way. You bust that bean don't expect a Joe Taxpayer bailout.
Paying premiums for Insurance gives you the access you need to medical services. That, in no way, is related to my arguement. Health providers should not be allowed to pick and choose the injuries they cover. It all should be covered- no matter the nature or cause of the injury. SEE- the arguements are NOT connected.
Since my wife and I are in a pretty high tax bracket I am paying into the socialized health care pool. Like anyone else I'm entitled to share in that pool whether some crusader likes it or not.
 

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You're smarter than that, aren't you? My basic beef is- we choose to participate in an activity that IS more dangerous than most. You, me, everyone on this forum have personal responsibility. It's is not my job to keep you healthy. It's not your job to pay my child's medical bills when she breaks a leg on the mx course. I'm not say "Don't treat the injuries". I'm saying don't make anyone but the injured (if at fault) pay their own [email protected] way. You bust that bean don't expect a Joe Taxpayer bailout.
Paying premiums for Insurance gives you the access you need to medical services. That, in no way, is related to my arguement. Health providers should not be allowed to pick and choose the injuries they cover. It all should be covered- no matter the nature or cause of the injury. SEE- the arguements are NOT connected.
How about other forms of social responsibility. So you aren't for Aid to Dependent children, welfare, unemployment paychecks, food stamp, etc.? You are an 'everybody pay their own way' guy? I'm all for it. Those programs cost us a hell of a lot more than injured motorcyclists. I never collected a dime on ANY social program, but I sure as hell paid a hell of a lot of money into them. When is it my time to collect?
 

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How about other forms of social responsibility. So you aren't for Aid to Dependent children, welfare, unemployment paychecks, food stamp, etc.? You are an 'everybody pay their own way' guy? I'm all for it. Those programs cost us a hell of a lot more than injured motorcyclists. I never collected a dime on ANY social program, but I sure as hell paid a hell of a lot of money into them. When is it my time to collect?
Well, hopefully it's never your time to collect. While I don't like giving away my money to a system that I can't affect, I do believe that social programs are necessary to maintain a civilized nation. If you think there are crime problems now, see what happens when there's no security net for people who loose their jobs, homes, family, etc. Is the system abused? Of course. Is the system run effectively and efficiently? Highly unlikely. Can it be better? Absolutely. But it is necessary. And hopefully you'll never need to get your turn to use it.
 
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