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Re: Regulations are good for you

That's rotting pigs intestines. Pig's intestines are called sausage casings in polite company - really it's the rot that's problematic, not the guts
 

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Re: Democrats and Socialists......

when does all the "You are too stupid to make your own choices, so Daddy Government is going to do so" stop?
Maybe when people stop being too stupid to make their own choices. Really, I think that there should be one simple helmet law: If you mess your cranium in a crash while not wearing a helmet, you're paying your own bills, you're off any welfare lists, and you and all of your survivors get the ole 'snip snip'. We really can't have those genes in the human pool. My real problem with regulating personal safety is that it's slowing the evolution of the human species - people who don't wear seatbelts should also be encouraged to take themselves out, not with a law demanding that they behave as though they deserve to breed, but with a law ensuring that if they don't deserve to survive, they won't.
 

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Full face helmet, shorts, and a tank top

Can someone explain to me why it makes sense to anyone to _not_ have a lethal head injury when your flesh is being abraded from your body. I see so many people with a full face helmet and completely inadequate gear otherwise. Why?
 

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Misfortune, I'm willing to pay for. Stupidity, no. Of course there's also the case of the stupidity of others causing the misfortune. Maybe cell phone abusers should pay in a couple G a year to an insurance fund for the victims of the accidents they cause.
 

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Car people don't have to wear helmets because the automotive industry has been forced to make their vehicles into protective devices for the last 40 years or so. Our national highway safety policy has been "Oh, christ! These people are such morons that we'll never get them to drive safely. We'll just make sure that when they crash, they'll live through it." Naturally, this is bad for motorcyclists: cagers get the 'volvo' mentality of "I'm perfectly safe in my little cage, so I don't have to pay attention to the world around me." Which just might be our national philosophy, now that I think of it.
 

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No, that's the job of the supreme court. The representatives are there to make the unconstitutional laws that their inbred constituents are asking for. Or that their backing corporations are asking for. Or that their cross-dressing FBI chief is asking for.



Checks and Balances, and all that.
 

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Re: Democrats and Socialists......

On the other hand, maybe it'll stop when we stop being stupid enough to elect the people that write these laws restricting our freedom.

We're running into a little problem in this country where we're way too willing to give up freedom for security.
 

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the congress is the Senate + the House. Both can introduce laws which must then be approved by the other. If someone sees fit to challenge these laws on a constitutional basis, the _might_ be heard by the supreme court (if the supremes deam it worth hearing). The rest of the judicial branch does make judgements on the laws, you're correct. The Executive branch is responsible for execution of the laws passed, although the President as head of the executive branch and a leader of his party has some level of influence on what laws get passed, proposed, and stalled out in commitee.

Yes, the senate is supposed to have a longer view, and actually a more patrician view - it's harder to get into the senate. Whether six years is sufficiently longer is another question. Not that I'm in favor of a 'House of Lords' type thing where you're in for life!

One thing to remember is that our fondling fathers had in mind that our senators and representatives would be from the landed intelligencia - folks like themselves - who could be trusted to make long term decisions in view of what would be best for the country, and could be trusted to discuss the issues like gentlement (that'd be by dueling, for fans of Alex Hamilton).

One of our current problems is that instead of that ideal, utopian (remember, that means 'nowhere' translated literally) vision, we've got a bunch of muckraking lawyers. Our own damn fault - we keep voting them in, and we allowed an environment where you've gotta be a power hungry, doubledealing scumbag (lechery is just a bonus that we get with the package) to even want to serve your country in this way (not that they're all bad - it just looks that way sometimes).

Of course, our greatest strength as a country is that I'm free to say this. Which is why I'm more worried about the president of Nike not being allowed to defend his company's labor practices because it's 'commercial speach' than about whether there is a law forcing me to do what an intelligent person will do anyway. Not that I like that law - I think we should let stupid people extinguish themselves in the name of darwin. Maybe make the stunterboys not wear helments.
 

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Re: Democrats and Socialists......

No, just wait for them to die. Cell-phone abusers are a different case, because they can kill others. For them I am in favor of preemptive action.
 

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And how is whining about helment laws going to help this?

The attitude of the general public is a real problem. Helment laws are red herrings.
 

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He was just reacting to my overstated posting by insinuating that my inteligence based eugenics program was no better than Hitler's ancestry based plan. After all, it does have the same weakness: who's the judge? Don't go after him for making the obvious comparison. Maybe go after him for not recognizing that I was making a bit of a socratic argument.

Also, the pointy German helmets favoured by movie outlaw bikers were imperial german, not nazi era, IIRC.
 

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Re: Helmet Laws

Good points all, but please tell me how my wife wearing a sting bikini, me carrying a concealed firearm or you walking in a cave in a state park impinges on anyone’s freedoms.
Well, what does your wife look like? Her wearing scant clothin might impinge on my right to hold my lunch, after all.
 

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Yup! 'Traditional' doesn't mean entirely stupid. Just different ideas about what's important about a bike.



Cool helmet
 

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Re: Helmets should be ILLEGAL!

apparently the naughty filter doesn't bother checking for white space on either end of words like cum
 

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Re: OK, so where does this argument really lead?

Actually the thing to do would be to track the original cost of production vs. the maintenence cost. When the two are equal, you send it to be salvaged. No how to separate production cost from maintenance, expecially for humans under the age of 18 or so? Prenatal care would factor in I suppose... but not food, that's just a running cost (like gas).

So how are your hospital bills?
 

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Hmm, coherence.



One thing that particularly bothers me lately, though, is the curbs on freedom in the name of 'Enduring Freedom' A little bit orwellian, methinks.
 

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Re: O.K, I'll Bite...

O.K. first of all, if we really want to help out the world and our pocketbooks we would not worry about paying for a couple of dough-heads who wrecked their bikes and weren't wearing a bucket--they are a very small minority of patients in hospitals today.
But you're suggesting we concentrate on things that actually matter! That's gotta be unamerican, or something. Nope, the american way is endless debate on things that consume minor percentages of the federal budget (but make for good soundbites) to divert us all from actually discussing important issues.

What kind of patients are the biggest money suckers? The smokers and drinkers. [/QUOTE]

Well for the record, if I wind up with cirosys (Sir Os'es?), I don't want a new liver. I'm not going to do the David Crosby thing and blow 2 livers because of being a dumb ***** in my youth. I don't want to spend time in a hostpital, because other people (with non-fatal illnesses that aren't a consequence of their own actions) need the space more. I'll just keep riding my bike while I can, then give Kevorkian a call.
 

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Re: O.K, I'll Bite...

I was just saying that motorcyclist are not the main patients in the hospital and they can't use that as an excuse for helmet laws.
Unfortunately, that's shouldn't, not can't. They will twist statistics in any way they can to make the point they want. Hell, much of the public is gullable enough to just accept 'cost' without any statistical basis. Look at this thread: people keep arguing what costs more, but nobody has supplied any numbers. Your observation that few hospital patients are helmetless bikers is at least anecdotal evidence that the cost issue is a red herring, but that's the best I've seen.
 
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