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Re: It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not!

Here's why you should give a f&ck about France: according to the latest round of cases, yahoo is responsible for making sure that their site conforms to France's laws with regards to sale of Nazi memorabilia. Casting aside the nazi part, that means that one country gets to apply it's decency standards to an internet site housed in another country. There has already been plenty of legislation introduced in the US that applies similar principles. To use a more alarmist example: How would MO react if they had to adjust the content according to arbitrary decency standards from whatever county/state/country could type in your URL? [Though maybe putting that chopper model in a head-to-toe burka would have gone over well with some of the MOrons. :) ]

From a more personal, sucks for me level. As of 1998 case law, ISPs are not considered common carriers. This is a double-edged sword -- on the good side it means that internet providers are free to do things like filter spam, which is what the case was initially about. The bad side is that since ISP's are not common carriers, they can be held responsible for actions users might take on their systems. Again using MO as an example: it would be legally permissible to file a lawsuit against MO for a libelous statement that kpaul made on the site (not that that would ever happen -- he's too entertaining). Because MO is not a common carrier, they do not have common carrier immunity. [There has since been a little bit of case law and other legislative/executive changes that blunt the 1998 case, but last I checked, ISPs in the US are still without common carrier immunity. There are some similar parallels in the journalism realm -- web sites are generally not afforded the same first amendment protections as other media.]

Though not Internet specific in its application, the DMCA was crafted to curb content piracy on the Internet, and is by most accounts a really really bad law. It unfortunately affects me directly since a good part of my work is computer and systems security -- something that the DMCA occasionally makes difficult to do.

I can probably dredge up some property law crap as well, but this post is long enough. Any of Lessig's books or his blog are a good place to dig up further info. As I said in the previous post, I agree with your general point --- they haven't yet f___ed things up beyond usability yet. But the infrastructure is being put in place one library at a time, with plenty of help from both political parties.
 

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IDIOTS

If you guys leave your house without a full-face helmet on, you are an idiot, regardless of the law. If you fall of and hit your head at 35 mph, you are pretty much toast (that is the speed they crash test most vehicles). I have appreciate the freedom issue, but driving is a PRIVILAGE not a right. That's why they can take your license if you can't handle the privlage. It is also worth noting that you should be responsible for extra health insurance so the rest of us don't have to foot the bills when you are in a veggitative state for the rest of your life. Or they have to reconstruct your face because your chin was ground off. I have read all the b.s. about how they really don't save lives, but you only get 1 chance with the old brain. It doesn't heal quite like skin or broken bones.
 

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Re: It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not!

My first Internet use was from a vt100 connected to a vax running unix, so I was definitely safe from viri and malware.

Actually, I'm primarly a unix/linux guy (with some occasional MacOS X thrown in) so I'm still pretty safe. Unfortunately, being a computer geek, I end up getting calls to fix friends and relatives Windows boxes, so I still feel your pain. [zonealarm, spybot, adaware, and stinger are your friends -- or just switch to something other than windows.]

And how boring would life be without kpaul? I feel like I should pop popcorn before I log into MO.
 

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See you at the Anarcist rally in New York. Do you understand the term Fascism or do you think it just sounds cool. We are nowhere near Fascism in the U.S. I agree with your lack of motivation with regard to the bicameral nature of our government. It is true, however, that the Islamic terrorists would like the Libertarian Party to be in power as they need all the rights you espose in order to sneak in the nukes. On second thought, maybe a Fascist government would be best.
 

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Re: No problem just pay for it.

First of all,I wear a helmet...the point which has been made endlessly but you fail to comprehend is not that we dont want to wear a helmet we just dont want the law to mandate it

Second,Ive been paying st5eadily increasing health insurance for 31 years.My high rates are driven by societry's idiots who do drugs have unprotected sex,drive drunk,ride sportbikes at high speeds,and many other things far more than those who have accidents without helmets

Third of all,I dont think the general society think lidless riders look any more ridiculous than those wearing full helmets and shorts or riding in brightly colored leathers for that matter.

Fourth of all ......ahhh forget it.I'm joining Lonbgride in his ignore KPAUL campaign

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Re: No Problem

Your absolutely right.My vintage MX buds laugh at me.....I limp out of my truck,painfully climb on my bike and all pain goes away.Then I get back to the pits and they help peel me off the bike.But it keeps me feeling young.I think if I stop riding,Id spiritually die.
 

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If people want to wear helmets it should be their perogative to do so but I know one thing if there is something I can do to make myself safer while I am riding I will damn sure do it and a helmet is one of those options there are alot of retarted ass people driving out there and I will do what I can to protect myself but it does kind of mess up my hair damn the bad luck.
 

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I think eventually this is going to happen. If you fall and crack your coconut on the pavement because you did not have a helmet, you and/or your family will be stuck with ALL the medical bills associated with your trip to the e-room.



Insurance companies are going to find ways to do this, buy using money and influence (lobbys are powerful) and eventually get a law passed.



Let's face it, motorcyclists are a small number of people killed or hurt on our roadways. But the insane rising of medical costs associated with putting your cracked coconut back together is going to get the health insurance industry's attention eventually.



Hey, let's face it. Everybody should wear a helmet, it is insane not too. When the dollars involved finally gets a certain person's attention, mandatory helmet will become reality.





 

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Re: It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not!

All I was saying was the end-user has not really been affected by any internet laws yet. Yes, they will get around to censorship, registration, identification, and taxation for the whole deal. Just look at TV and radio. Good info on the coming trends though.
 

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Re: IDIOTS

Looks like your old brain never worked right to begin with. At least if I end up in a "veggitative state", I got 47 good years out of mine. You certainly can't say that. As for being an idiot for not wearing a helmet, I can assure you that your an idiot with it on OR off. Actually, I think your an idiot for riding a motorcycle to begin with. See how much fun calling people names can be??
 

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How about if you are found exceeding the speed limit, or stunting on the street, or even making an illegal turn and get hurt. Would the insurance companies have to pay up then, considering that all those acts are ILLEGAL and to ride without a helmet is not? How about people that need extensive skin grafts because they weren't wearing proper protective gear? How about the guy that wears all his gear, but has no training and runs offthe road and gets hurt? Should they pay then?
 

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How about taking a bath? Bathtubs are a major cause of death. No insurance coverage for bathers!



How about terminal diseases? Everyone who has a terminal disease will die! No coverage for people with terminal diseases!



Methinks that insurance companies are pulling our legs. Even during real recessions, like the early 70's one, insurance companies seemed to be able to afford to build skyscrapers.
 

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Your children can be taken from you on the whim of a bureaucrat. You can be arrested for refusing to give your child ritalin (or any sort of treatment a croaker thinks he/she needs). Your home can be taken from you to provide cheap land for Wal-Mart. A policeman can tear your home apart because he thinks he saw a drug dealer climb in the window. The govt will take the cash out of your pocket if it thinks you have "too much". The FBI has removed from public libraries all books that give advice on how to get your property back when the govt illegally seives it. In fact, govt agencies rely on illegal forfeitures now for their funding problems. The BATF slaughters a couple of dozen children and gets away scot free. Pres Bush wants to force you and everyone else to see a shrink and then if the shrink determines it you can be forced to take drugs and get electroshocked... Kerry also supports this plan. Our health care system is completely dominated by drug companies who have gotten themselves exempted fom most criminal liabilities for the many drugs they distribute while they withhold the truth of the side effects.



Oh no. We are no where near fascism. Oh no. And of course you are right, to protect ourselves we need to "temporarily" suspend all our rights so we can fight "Islamicism" or whatever hobgoblin the govt has invented this week.
 
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