[mile_eater]

He's responsible? How is he responsible?



Jeezus Burns you're smarter than this. Think! Don't Feel! Think!



Over 40,000 people die every year in auto accidents. We could save all those people if we made a mandatory 10mph speed limit.



Why don't we?



By your logic, since we didn't pass that limit, we are in fact responsible.



Its not the government's job to save people from themselves. It's this kind of thinking that led to banning booze man! Is that the kinda society you want? No smoking.. No drinking.. No fatty foods... No guns... No un-protected sex... No self-serve gas stations...



sorry... before I live in a place like that... I'll slit my wrists, strap on dynamite, and drive into an embassy somewhere.



I'll be sure to wear my seatbelt though.

 

[1747]

Re: A viw from the O.R.

Ah, that's the spirit that makes america great. rugged individualism. Has MO been taken over by the SwiftThinkingReturn to the CaveSociety? KP, we may have to run for our lives...

 

[mile_eater]

So we should outlaw everything that's dangerous?



Kill me now.

 

[sarnali]

Re:Stay tuned,

film at 11:00

 

[seruzawa]

They were mostly softails from what I saw. Many sported a windshield. RKs were in the minority. We saw hundreds of HDs and only two on trailers that I recall.

 

[mile_eater]

It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not!

I don't care if it's safer to ride with a helmet. I always ride with one.

I want to know who decided it was the government's job to outlaw everything that was dangerous. I want to know... so I can go wring his fool neck.

There are some places that the government has no business being.

 

[kpaul]

Re: A viw from the O.R.

I fear you are right. You know the Swift Boat Motto. "Just because we weren't there doesn't mean it happened and since we weren't there we can make it up our version of what happened."

 

[longride]

Where have I IMPLIED it?? LOL Boy your just reaching for straws now JB. First you said stop telling you helmets aren't safer, and since I never said that now I IMPLIED it. Classic liberal bullshyt served up cold. Hey I bet you got lots of kids interested in motorcycles in your motojourno days. Do you congratulate yourself for every one of those kids that got injured or died? At least the kid that took me to heart wasn't brain dead to begin with. Sheesh.

 

[kpaul]

An amazing statistic

Thanks for the testimony.

Based on my limited research, I find that 100% of motorcycle crash survivors who used helmets would do so again. I am not being sarcastic. I have never heard anyone who survived that wouldn't wear a helmet again.

 

[mile_eater]

Re: A viw from the O.R.

remember JohnBoy, the same "thinking" that produces helmet laws is producing the smoking bans that you hate.

Careful of that slippery slope.

 

[longride]

Re: It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not!

I think JB and KP want to have their prophylactics checked by the authorities for proper installation before engaging in any type of government approved fornication. Stay out west in LaLa land guys.

 

[1747]

Say, kids, y know we could all be killed in the next 5 minute by a meteor, so here's some 12-gauge shotguns and some shells. Have fun, kids!

 

[kpaul]

There you go again

Clouding the issue. Prepare for the crash not the ride. Did you see Two Wheeled Tuesday last night?

 

[kpaul]

Be like Mike

Micheal Jordan wears a helmet. Comon you guys be like Mike.

 

[mscuddy]

Re: Death data from the NHTSA

Well, here's something cut from the NHTSA website:

Looks like I'm going to get centerpunched soon, since I'm over 45, and ride a big fast bike. I do wear a helmet , though. Full face.

There are some real interesting charts & graphs on the NHTSA site regarding motorcycle crashes & fatalities.

Rider deaths maxed around 1980, with over 5000 fatalities, when there was pretty much no helmet law, nationwide.

According to the National Highway Traffic

Safety Administration's (NHTSA) 2001 data, while total traffic deaths in the United States increased by four tenths of a percent (+0.4%) from previous year, motorcycle deaths were up by 10 percent.

Motorcyclist fatalities increased for the fourth year in a row since reaching a historic low of 2,116 fatalities in 1997. In 2001, 3,181 motorcyclists were killed, an increase of 1,065 fatalities (or over 50 percent) between 1997 and 2001. Without this substantial increase in motorcyclist fatalities between 1997 and

2001, overall highway fatalities would have

experienced a marked reduction of about 2.5 percent over this same time frame.

Motorcyclist Fatalities on 1,001-1,500 cc Engine

by Year and Age Group:

Between 1990 and 2001, Table 8 (above)

showed that motorcyclist fatalities increased only in the 1,001-1,500 cc engine size motorcycles. Analysis of data from Table 9 and Figure 5 show that the number of motorcyclist fatalities in the 1,001-1,500 cc engine size category has increased only in the 40-

49 and over 49 age groups between 1990 and 2001.

The motorcyclist fatalities in the 40-49 age group have been steadily increasing each year since 1992. Similarly, motorcyclist fatalities in the over 49-age group have been steadily increasing each year since 1993.

The motorcyclist fatalities in the 40 and over

age group in the 1,001-1,500 cc engine size have been increasing even though overall motorcyclist fatalities have reduced from 1990 to 1997. The number of motorcyclist fatalities in the 40-49 age group has increased by a factor of 3.6 between 1990 and 2001.

Similarly motorcyclist fatalities in the over 49-age group have increased by a factor of 4.4

between 1990 and 2001. These numbers indicate the involvement of larger motorcycles like 1,001-1,500 cc engine size group by age groups 40 and over infatal crashes.

The percentage of motorcyclist fatalities in

the 40 and over age group has increased from 27 percent in 1990 to 62 percent in 2001 in the 1,001-1,500 cc engine size category.

Almost two thirds (62 percent) of the motorcyclist fatalities in 2001 were in

the 40 and over age group and the remaining one third in under 40-age group. In 1990, three fourths (74 percent) of motorcyclist fatalities were in the under 40-age group compared to 27 percent in the 40

and over age group.

Here’s a link with all the charts & graphs:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-01/esv/esv18/CD/Files/18ESV-000247.pdf

 

[longride]

Actually dynamite with short fuses would be better. No chance of just losing an arm or leg.

 

[1747]

Welll, i encourage you to think a little yourself. See, there's a whole SCALE of danger, some things being MUCH more dangerous than others. Take this test: What's more dangerous: riding without a helmet while strapped inside a 5000 pound metal container? Or riding without a helmet on a motorcycle? Clearly (I think) the former is MUCH less dangerous than the latter. Encouraging, excusing, condoning or defending riding a motorcycle without a helmet is dangerous and irresponsible. If you wanna do it, fine, please don't encourage others to do so.

 

[longride]

Let's think a little more. Take this test. Is riding a motorcycle or driving a car more dangerous? Encouraging, excusing, condoning or defending riding a motorcycle is dangerous and irresponsible. If you want to do it, fine, please don't encourage others to do so. I'm only now beginning to see how the liberal mind operates.

 

[1747]

Re: It doesn't matter if it's dangerous or not!

Right. We're all LIBERALS out here! the people who brought you the five-day, 40-hour work week and the FDA. Lately I am beginning to come round to a less LIBERAL ideology tho. Maybe we just take the opposite approach to its logical conclusion and tear down all govt institutions? You know, police departments, fire depts, public schools... we've already got a good start.

 

[1747]

Re: A viw from the O.R.

I hate smoking bans? not me. in fact i wish the govt. would outlaw tobacco, then i'd be able to quit.