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I still don't think it looks better than an f4i....
Honda CBR 600RR Fast In Initial Testing.
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better looking by far
Totally disagree. I've never given a rat's butt about the looks of the "F" models - for some reason, they all lacked any sort of personality to me. However, in spite of being a die-hard anti-Honda type (except for the RC51), I can't stop myself from gazing lustfully at the RR. I hate to say it, but it just looks so damn cool! Hope Suzuki can continue to lay the wheat to 'er though in American supersport action. C'mon Yates, don't fail me now.
Totally disagree. I've never given a rat's butt about the looks of the "F" models - for some reason, they all lacked any sort of personality to me. However, in spite of being a die-hard anti-Honda type (except for the RC51), I can't stop myself from gazing lustfully at the RR. I hate to say it, but it just looks so damn cool! Hope Suzuki can continue to lay the wheat to 'er though in American supersport action. C'mon Yates, don't fail me now.
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Honda does it again with innovation (original thinking) and style.
The number of innovations on this bike should put the rest the idea that Japanese bike makers are merely copiers and lack original thinking. I applaud Honda's aggressiveness in using new technology. While other bike makers are content to be conservative Honda pushes the envelope. I'll take mine in yellow please. Seattle Honda dealerships are having banner years these days this should continue the success.
The number of innovations on this bike should put the rest the idea that Japanese bike makers are merely copiers and lack original thinking. I applaud Honda's aggressiveness in using new technology. While other bike makers are content to be conservative Honda pushes the envelope. I'll take mine in yellow please. Seattle Honda dealerships are having banner years these days this should continue the success.
It looks a little better than the F4i, but the tail section is just a bit much. Same with the VFR, and those nasty mufflers on the 919. The 916-998 looked simple useful and elegant. It just looks like the engineers are trying too hard, and yes I do include the 999 in the BUTT ugly department. Possibly form over function? Maybe, maybe not, but I think that beauty can be found with simplicity. In the end it is all about function over form.
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Re: Honda does it again with innovation (original thinking) and style.
Dream on. We have too much fun with this to ever quit.
"Maintenance-free battery.
Integrated ignition switch/fork lock for added security.
Convenient push-to-cancel turn signal switch. "
There are plenty of old bikes that have these "innovations". In fact, you'll have a hard time finding more than a handful of the things on this list that somebody didn't do before. Maybe the PR Flacks at American Honda should also list other "new " features like "two wheels", "4 cyclinder engine" or "telescopic fork replaces inferior girder design".
Yikes. It costs as almost as much as an Open Class Bike.
Let the Flame Wars begin.
Dream on. We have too much fun with this to ever quit.
"Maintenance-free battery.
Integrated ignition switch/fork lock for added security.
Convenient push-to-cancel turn signal switch. "
There are plenty of old bikes that have these "innovations". In fact, you'll have a hard time finding more than a handful of the things on this list that somebody didn't do before. Maybe the PR Flacks at American Honda should also list other "new " features like "two wheels", "4 cyclinder engine" or "telescopic fork replaces inferior girder design".
Yikes. It costs as almost as much as an Open Class Bike.
Let the Flame Wars begin.
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Re: Honda does it again with innovation (original thinking) and style.
[*]Completely new die cast aluminum frame utilizes new manufacturing methods to provide optimum rigidity while reducing weight.
[*]New Unit Pro-Link rear suspension system is patterned after RC211V GP racer. In this system, the upper shock mount is contained within the swingarm rather than the frame. With no top frame-mount for the shock, this unique system eliminates negative suspension energy from being transmitted into the frame, allowing optimum frame rigidity and improved rideability out of corners. Rear swingarm technology derived from RC211V Moto GP racer.
[*]All new liquid-cooled DOHC 16-valve 599cc four-stroke inline four-cylinder engine features oversquare bore and stroke of 67mm x 42.5mm.
[*]New engine is more compact-engine length is now 236mm vs. 266mm-which helps move the rider forward 70mm.
[*]Dual Stage Fuel Injection (DSFI) system features two injectors per cylinder-one upper and one lower-controlled by an ECU that senses rpm and throttle opening. Lower injector enhances rideability while upper injector improves top-end horsepower. At lower rpm only the lower injector is working. Above 5500 rpm both injectors are activated. The system uses 40mm throttle bodies.
[*]New Denso injectors with 12 laser-drilled holes deliver a finely atomized fuel mixture for optimum combustion efficiency and power.
[*]Two-stage ram-air system provides a high volume of cool air to the airbox for linear power delivery and incredible engine performance.
[*]Cylinder head features angled valve inset to improve air flow.
[*]Cylinder head features two springs per intake valve and two springs per exhaust valve for optimum high-rpm valve operation and durability.
[*]Direct shim-under-bucket valve actuation ensures high-rpm performance and durability and offers 16,000-mile maintenance intervals.
[*]New lighter pistons, piston pins and nutless connecting rods contribute to higher revving engine.
[*]New double-pivot cam-chain tensioner improves cam chain durability.
[*]Starter gears moved to the right side for increased lean angle.
[*]New lightweight aluminum oil cooler.
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[*]New Line Beam Headlight features three- piece reflector design (first in the world) utilizing two H7 bulbs for optimum light distribution, and unique compact design.
Industry-leading ergonomic design features maximum rider comfort for minimum fatigue in all riding conditions.
Now guys tell which American bike has all this? Or Italian bike for under $10,000.? I think to make a bike like this for under 9 grand takes original thinking.
[*]Completely new die cast aluminum frame utilizes new manufacturing methods to provide optimum rigidity while reducing weight.
[*]New Unit Pro-Link rear suspension system is patterned after RC211V GP racer. In this system, the upper shock mount is contained within the swingarm rather than the frame. With no top frame-mount for the shock, this unique system eliminates negative suspension energy from being transmitted into the frame, allowing optimum frame rigidity and improved rideability out of corners. Rear swingarm technology derived from RC211V Moto GP racer.
[*]All new liquid-cooled DOHC 16-valve 599cc four-stroke inline four-cylinder engine features oversquare bore and stroke of 67mm x 42.5mm.
[*]New engine is more compact-engine length is now 236mm vs. 266mm-which helps move the rider forward 70mm.
[*]Dual Stage Fuel Injection (DSFI) system features two injectors per cylinder-one upper and one lower-controlled by an ECU that senses rpm and throttle opening. Lower injector enhances rideability while upper injector improves top-end horsepower. At lower rpm only the lower injector is working. Above 5500 rpm both injectors are activated. The system uses 40mm throttle bodies.
[*]New Denso injectors with 12 laser-drilled holes deliver a finely atomized fuel mixture for optimum combustion efficiency and power.
[*]Two-stage ram-air system provides a high volume of cool air to the airbox for linear power delivery and incredible engine performance.
[*]Cylinder head features angled valve inset to improve air flow.
[*]Cylinder head features two springs per intake valve and two springs per exhaust valve for optimum high-rpm valve operation and durability.
[*]Direct shim-under-bucket valve actuation ensures high-rpm performance and durability and offers 16,000-mile maintenance intervals.
[*]New lighter pistons, piston pins and nutless connecting rods contribute to higher revving engine.
[*]New double-pivot cam-chain tensioner improves cam chain durability.
[*]Starter gears moved to the right side for increased lean angle.
[*]New lightweight aluminum oil cooler.
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[*]New Line Beam Headlight features three- piece reflector design (first in the world) utilizing two H7 bulbs for optimum light distribution, and unique compact design.
Industry-leading ergonomic design features maximum rider comfort for minimum fatigue in all riding conditions.
Now guys tell which American bike has all this? Or Italian bike for under $10,000.? I think to make a bike like this for under 9 grand takes original thinking.
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Re: Honda does it again with innovation (original thinking) and style.
Now how much is that Ducati 749? How much is that Air cooled pushrod sportster powered Buell? Which would you rather have? The Honda or the others. The XB9 is innovative but how much of that innovation is necessary and how much is because they are using a tall ancient engine which forces the fuel in the frame and oil in the swingarm. Check out Marc Cooks and Mitch Boehms critique of the Buell in Motorcyclist.
Now how much is that Ducati 749? How much is that Air cooled pushrod sportster powered Buell? Which would you rather have? The Honda or the others. The XB9 is innovative but how much of that innovation is necessary and how much is because they are using a tall ancient engine which forces the fuel in the frame and oil in the swingarm. Check out Marc Cooks and Mitch Boehms critique of the Buell in Motorcyclist.
Re: Honda does it again with innovation (original thinking) and style.
Ya , I can't believe they didn't incorporate any unique innovations like an independant locking system (bring along yer own padlock just hope you don't fall on it), or external self-lubrication (what oil-leak, it's sweating..), or hinge in the middle (hey, it's dancing down the road and if you don't like it it's because you don't know how to ride..), or active weight reduction (that was meant to vibrate off...) or highway beautification program (I'm not broken down, I just think that chrome looks real good on the side of the road...).
Ya , I can't believe they didn't incorporate any unique innovations like an independant locking system (bring along yer own padlock just hope you don't fall on it), or external self-lubrication (what oil-leak, it's sweating..), or hinge in the middle (hey, it's dancing down the road and if you don't like it it's because you don't know how to ride..), or active weight reduction (that was meant to vibrate off...) or highway beautification program (I'm not broken down, I just think that chrome looks real good on the side of the road...).
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They weren't listed as "New" features. Nobody claimed them to be innovations, they are just part of the specs and features.
Even if there was only one innovation on that list, it would be enough to say that the 600RR is innovative. How many new bikes have you seen with a whole "handful" (your word) of innovations?
They weren't listed as "New" features. Nobody claimed them to be innovations, they are just part of the specs and features.
Even if there was only one innovation on that list, it would be enough to say that the 600RR is innovative. How many new bikes have you seen with a whole "handful" (your word) of innovations?
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There were spys (press) sneaking all around that test. The bike WAS indeed very very fast. The specs and features above were provided by Honda. The story was mine.
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I believe that this bike has new and improved genuine Japanese air in the tires. It's much superior to the rest of the world's air. Now with the new and much lightened oxygen molecules, that (get ready for this) will improve your track times significantly if used properly.
Honda CBR 600RR Faster than RC51?
They were at the classic road course at Vegas. It's short and a superbike doesn't have the room to stretch. 2 short straights only. Light and quick will beat HP there. A worked 250 stroker would have pummeled both on that track...IMHO. I've done a track school and 3-4 track days there...
They were at the classic road course at Vegas. It's short and a superbike doesn't have the room to stretch. 2 short straights only. Light and quick will beat HP there. A worked 250 stroker would have pummeled both on that track...IMHO. I've done a track school and 3-4 track days there...
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