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I'm surprised the rest of you MOrons haven't discovered SM's. I have a modified KTM 620 RXC that is an absolute hoot. It's not too bad on the highway, either, and I have ridden it for 2-3 hour stints.



Then again, I am mostly a dirt bike guy, and I gravitate towards these kind of things.



 

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I've been watching the super motard models for at least two years. the KTM dealer says the 520 EXC singles are a bit too fragile for hard street riding and you cant get them registered, and I dont want the larger enduro bikes.



noone has built the logical extension to this style yet, except perhapsy aprilia. the 450 and 550s have been around for a while now and i'm still waiting on a 550 with lights. but aprilia, like KTM, takes about 3 times as long as i'd like to bring a bike to market, especially here in the states.



the japanese would be the logical ones to build a lightweight twin at a reasonable price. Do the math. What is 55% of 155 rear wheel horsepower?



i still think a single would be too stressed as a street bike, but a small twin with TOP quality aluminum frame, braking, and suspension components? If Yamaha can build my Warrior (read low production numbers), they can certainly build an $8500 top of the line supermotard for me. And I'd buy it too. In a heartbeat.



this class of bike will be reaching its make or break point within a year or two. it will most likely reach critical mass ONLY if a streetable version with quality components is built. noone would buy cbr600rr's if they were track only. lesson learned.



I hope these bikes get over the hump. i would rather have a bike with sit up ergonomics and 80 horsepower at 310 lbs tank empty than one with 150 horsepower and 415 lbs tank empty. actually, i'd rather have both, but at least give me a choice.





 

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It's really easy to get a KTM registered. They don't "brand" their MSO's like the Japanese do. I know of several people riding EXC's on the street. The real issue is the lack of a driveline damper in the rear hub. This can be solved by using the rear hub from a 620/640 and flipping it over.



Not sure what this means -" it will most likely reach critical mass ONLY if a streetable version with quality components is built. "



KTM, Husqvarna, TM and Husaberg have been offering street legal Supermotos for a few years now, and they all have nothing but the best componentry. Maybe they don't offer 80HP and 310 Lbs., but how about 60HP and 280 Lbs.?



Perhaps you would prefer the KTM 950 Supermoto. It's a lightweight V-twin that gets rave reviews from every tester.



My point is, the bikes are out there. Don't wait for the Japanes to make one.
 

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Sorry, meant to include "larger engine" in the original post.



I've looked at the DRZ, but given the marginal performance and the horrible resale value I've given up the thought of a new one. Might take advantage of someone else's depreciation though.
 

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Is it practical to import a street-legal motard from Europe, or are the legal hassles to great to make it worthwhile?



And has anyone had experience with the Husky 610SM? It looks the an ideal mount for someone who mostly wants to ride a nimble, light bike on the street.
 

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The mainstream doesn't want to drive 60 miles to jerry's lawn mower and motorcycle shop to buy a bike. The dealer network of many of these brands is a joke. Aprillia? not any better.



They're all fine if you're doing all your own wrenching - something the majority of the riding public isn't doing.



I would like to see the segment turn mainstream, but I just don't think it's going to happen in this country. There's not enough horsepower, straight line speed, or perceived coolness.
 

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"MO'tard" hehehe.... I think that means something other than "Super Biker" in English?



I love the concept though, too bad folks here in the US are so hung up on cruisers that they barely take time to notice what else is out there.



On the subject of buying and SM bike. Is it possible to take something like a KLR and put street tires on it and make your own SM bike?
 

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Good plan. Look on Thumper Talk for lots of ways to mod the DRZ. I ride my 'S' on the road like a Motard, though it kinda wears on the knobbies.



Mostly it's my off-road toy, but sometimes it's more entertaining to commute on than my FZ1.
 

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The KLR would not be my first SM choice in the 650cc class. You can find good examples of 'low price' Japanese custom motards on the web. Best choices would be Honda XR650L (XR650R if you can get it registered) or a Suzuki DR650SE.

Converting any of these bikes will take at least $1200 which includes wheels and tires.

If you want to buy one of the floor with a Yamaha 660cc engine look at MZ:

http://www.motorradna.com/models/supermoto/index.html
 

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Husabergs are neat and dandy, but has anyone checked on the cost of replacement parts lately?



Last I checked a piston cost $600.00. And that's without rings, pin, circlips, etc...
 

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Generally the dealer network isn't a huge issue--most guys that own these sort of bikes have been racing/wrenching on bikes forever. The only reason a dealer might be required, is for parts. Most people use the internet to get them. A couple of German companies even have 4 day delivery to the states for KTM parts. KTM used to make tractors, and their engines will run for many miles of abuse like a tractor. Most Supermotos engines don't have a gentle life, but blown up engines is a rarity at the KTM Supermoto owners clubs. This is also like a "last step" for many bikers I know. This is the type of bike you buy after you've riden everything under the sun, and you want hardcore fun without spending hardcore money. I had tons of fun on bikes I've motarded, and plenty of fun on a pal's KTM 640 Supermoto. Great bike!
 
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