JohnBoy Gets a Job
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Well, just my opinion, but you need to check the lap times posted by Bostrom et al at last week's tests before you're so sure.
I believe he was faster than all of the GP bikes except KR JR.
I love 2 stroke GP bikes. I raced 2 strokes myself back when, but I still think 4 strokes will end up on top.
Let the games begin!
I believe he was faster than all of the GP bikes except KR JR.
I love 2 stroke GP bikes. I raced 2 strokes myself back when, but I still think 4 strokes will end up on top.
Let the games begin!
Re: It may sound like fun to us...
When you can't (hold down a position that lets you?) race, you do the next best thing, surely? For we (or is it us?) who aren't or haven't been racers, it sounds like a fantastic job, but yes, it surely must be a step back in jonKoc's mind. That said, I have a huge amount of respect for the blokes that CHOOSE to test and develop, like that Aprilia guy whose name currently escapes me, and Peter Goddard (yes, I know, maybe not). Oh well, you do the job that comes closest to your dream, eh? Am I right here?
When you can't (hold down a position that lets you?) race, you do the next best thing, surely? For we (or is it us?) who aren't or haven't been racers, it sounds like a fantastic job, but yes, it surely must be a step back in jonKoc's mind. That said, I have a huge amount of respect for the blokes that CHOOSE to test and develop, like that Aprilia guy whose name currently escapes me, and Peter Goddard (yes, I know, maybe not). Oh well, you do the job that comes closest to your dream, eh? Am I right here?
Congrats to Johnny. Sounds like a sweet job. Maybe we will see him racing next here. We need more americans at the world level. I was looking foward to seeing him aboard the Duck this season, it's to bad they couldn't come to terms. But I am pumped to see Slight here. I look for him to be a serious contender for the title.
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500cc v 1000cc... yeah right.
Give the 2 strokes up to 1000cc and then see what happens.... 4 strokes are cows compared to 2 strokes.
Give the 2 strokes up to 1000cc and then see what happens.... 4 strokes are cows compared to 2 strokes.
Re: 500cc v 1000cc... yeah right.
trust me on this one - 500cc 2strokes is all that's needed to beat the 4strokes. . just remember this - the 2 strokes have been detuned throughout the 90's to make them more rideable. if the 4strokes come too close, they may just have to uncork the 2strokes - and then the 4strokes will be F*ucked
trust me on this one - 500cc 2strokes is all that's needed to beat the 4strokes. . just remember this - the 2 strokes have been detuned throughout the 90's to make them more rideable. if the 4strokes come too close, they may just have to uncork the 2strokes - and then the 4strokes will be F*ucked
Re: 500cc v 1000cc... yeah right.
Think about what you just said: 2strokes are restricted to make them more rideable....
Lets set up a theoretical situation here. Let us say that they have either a 500cc or a 800 cc or whatever size you want 4 stroke. This bike is pitted against a 500 cc 2 stroke. lets say the 4 stroke makes more power (be it by size or expensive technology). so then they "uncork" the 2 stroke to make even more power. I can tell you quite surely that the 2 stroke is gonna have a much stronger hit coming onto the pipe. This will be a diadvantage in the corners. The advantage it will have will be in the straights. Either way, the bikes will be evenly matched.
My point is that i think right now, the chassis and the tyres will not allow the added power of a 2 stroke to give it an advantage, not at the 200 hp envelope these bikes are pushing. So whether a 500cc 4 stroke makes 190 hp, and a 500cc 2 stroke makes 230, the difference in rideability, and the tires ability to grip will only mean the extra 40 hp is wasted.
Think about what you just said: 2strokes are restricted to make them more rideable....
Lets set up a theoretical situation here. Let us say that they have either a 500cc or a 800 cc or whatever size you want 4 stroke. This bike is pitted against a 500 cc 2 stroke. lets say the 4 stroke makes more power (be it by size or expensive technology). so then they "uncork" the 2 stroke to make even more power. I can tell you quite surely that the 2 stroke is gonna have a much stronger hit coming onto the pipe. This will be a diadvantage in the corners. The advantage it will have will be in the straights. Either way, the bikes will be evenly matched.
My point is that i think right now, the chassis and the tyres will not allow the added power of a 2 stroke to give it an advantage, not at the 200 hp envelope these bikes are pushing. So whether a 500cc 4 stroke makes 190 hp, and a 500cc 2 stroke makes 230, the difference in rideability, and the tires ability to grip will only mean the extra 40 hp is wasted.
hey, you in the second post:
what makes you think the two strokes are better tahn the four strokes?
the four strokes are stronger, not lighter, but only fall in some 10kg's so what? they are way faster, even bostrum can get to their lap times....
just think before you speak
what makes you think the two strokes are better tahn the four strokes?
the four strokes are stronger, not lighter, but only fall in some 10kg's so what? they are way faster, even bostrum can get to their lap times....
just think before you speak
Re: 500cc v 1000cc... yeah right.
let me amend that then - if the 4strokes come too close ON THE STRAIGHTAWAYS(because we all know lighter bikes corner faster(look at 250 gp)), then they will uncork them. whatever dude...it's gonna be exciting as hell to watch. i think the 4stroke public is in for a shock
let me amend that then - if the 4strokes come too close ON THE STRAIGHTAWAYS(because we all know lighter bikes corner faster(look at 250 gp)), then they will uncork them. whatever dude...it's gonna be exciting as hell to watch. i think the 4stroke public is in for a shock
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Doesn't stand a chance. Well, a four-strole just turned in a faster lap than the 2-stroke lap record at one of the GP tracks (it's posted in MO). Don't bet on the 2-strokes. They can't sell derivatives of them on the street any more. The money is in four strokes.
i cannot believe that 4stroke fans are jumping all over this "fast lap" turned by Bostrom. its friggin practice man! first off, are you at all implying that a superbike could compete with a grand prix bike? is that what you're saying? becuase if you are, you are dead wrong. even bostrom himself would laugh at you if he heard that. second, 250's have turned faster laps at some tracks than the 500's. i guess that means that 250's are taking over, huh? boy, you 4stroke fans will jump at any scrap the press throws you huh?
just remember that racing is still win on sunday sell on monday. The manufacturers know this. their is a much bigger market for, and therefore more money in, 4 strokes. They will get more research than 2 strokes, and ultimately made to be more efficient and lighter than 2 strokes. They may not be now, but hey, that is where the money is.
Well, tell me this. Why, in F1 racing do they use 4 strokes? I have never seen anything in the rules that prohibits 2 strokes, but maybe i missed it.
Once they start using hydraulic or electrical valve actuation systems, they will be able to have infinitely adjustable intake and exhaust valve timing. Combined with todays fuel injection and ignition systems, i think they will indeed give 2 strokes a run for their money power and weight wise.
Once they start using hydraulic or electrical valve actuation systems, they will be able to have infinitely adjustable intake and exhaust valve timing. Combined with todays fuel injection and ignition systems, i think they will indeed give 2 strokes a run for their money power and weight wise.
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