Just Like a Biker Movie
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I am suprised. I went through Grants Pass a year ago, stayed overnight there with 5 other guys on sport bikes, and rode on to crater lake and came back through. We got zero hassles from the fuzz and had a great time. Then again we were not doing anything to attract attention, and didnt speed until we were out in the boonies.
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Wow, just like the bad old days. in the early '80's I got ticketed repeatedly on my chopped Shovelhead for
1) Tail light to low..... It was at the legal limit of 24 inches.
2) Handlebars too high from seat base.... They were stock Sporty Buckhorns and well below the limit.
3) Innoperative mufflers...... They were off a '68 Shovelhead police bike.
4) No front fender.....non required in Washington.
5) No turn signals......bike was registered off the frame, making it a '57 which didn't come with turn signals, so none were required.
6) Had repeated P.D. follow-me-home and sit in front of my house kinda' crap.
This was all by the same two cops in Auburn, one of whom is now the chief of Police, and required me to take time off work, subpena the State Patrol Inspector and generally waste mine and everyone elses time dealing with these assholes Kojak fantasy's. I finally had to fill out a complaint for harrasment to the A.G to get them to leave me alone.
Nice to see the spirit is alive and well in Grant's Pass.
oink oink
1) Tail light to low..... It was at the legal limit of 24 inches.
2) Handlebars too high from seat base.... They were stock Sporty Buckhorns and well below the limit.
3) Innoperative mufflers...... They were off a '68 Shovelhead police bike.
4) No front fender.....non required in Washington.
5) No turn signals......bike was registered off the frame, making it a '57 which didn't come with turn signals, so none were required.
6) Had repeated P.D. follow-me-home and sit in front of my house kinda' crap.
This was all by the same two cops in Auburn, one of whom is now the chief of Police, and required me to take time off work, subpena the State Patrol Inspector and generally waste mine and everyone elses time dealing with these assholes Kojak fantasy's. I finally had to fill out a complaint for harrasment to the A.G to get them to leave me alone.
Nice to see the spirit is alive and well in Grant's Pass.
oink oink
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If the AMA really wants to do something to impress me they could hire lawyers to help these folks out. That might convince me that they are worth a membership.
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OK I will. If the police had a helicopter and observation trailer parked across the street from your home, followed you everywhere you went, then finally tagged you for having your front wheel touching the white line in front of the crosswalk at an intersection I'll bet you'd be ready to run right out and make a donation to the local FOP benevolent fund, eh?
Some of the infractions looked like harassment, yet others looked legitimate. Sounds like the police were aware of problems from this particular group of bikers. I'm only going by what's printed in the article.
So once again, why should I be concerned about the welfare of this particular group of bikers?
What do you know about this group of bikers that I am unawair of that makes you so quickly come to their defense?
Why should I conform to your reality and assume the police are the problem and not the bikers in this case?
Try answering with a little less sarcasm if you can though.
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So once again, why should I be concerned about the welfare of this particular group of bikers?
What do you know about this group of bikers that I am unawair of that makes you so quickly come to their defense?
Why should I conform to your reality and assume the police are the problem and not the bikers in this case?
Try answering with a little less sarcasm if you can though.
Thanks
Hard to form an opinion on this one. There's some pretty important information that's missing.
1) Are they actually an outlaw biker gang like the Hell's Angels or did the police just make that up?
2) What "confrontations" did they have with the police? What the article described was harassment, not confrontation.
3) What "reputation" do they have?
1) Are they actually an outlaw biker gang like the Hell's Angels or did the police just make that up?
2) What "confrontations" did they have with the police? What the article described was harassment, not confrontation.
3) What "reputation" do they have?
I'm thinking of rejoining the AMA for GP regardless of our different views on some issues. If they'd devote some resources to a "small" issue like this I'd also be more inclined to cough up some chump change. I can't think of a way not to look at this as harassment of a group that looks and acts differently...
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If, in your own words, some of the infractions looked like harassment then why are you so ready to dismiss this as nothing to worry about?
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It takes one to know one!
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LOL, what do you know about this particular group of bikers that you're so quick to condemn them?
You, your own righteous self, said that some of the infractions looked like harassment.
The police, themselves, said, "We don't know what their intent is. There's a reputation there. We don't know what may come up, so we prepare ourselves.''
And the sheriff said, "I hope it was the kind of reception they don't ever want again, and don't return to Josephine County.''
So the police admit they didn't know the riders' intent and that they acted based only on "reputation" (ie, stereotype). The sheriff admits he gave them the treatment. And you, your own righteous self, can see elements of harassment in the whole chain of events. What's it going to take for you to at least consider the possibilty that the bikers were treated wrongly?
You, your own righteous self, said that some of the infractions looked like harassment.
The police, themselves, said, "We don't know what their intent is. There's a reputation there. We don't know what may come up, so we prepare ourselves.''
And the sheriff said, "I hope it was the kind of reception they don't ever want again, and don't return to Josephine County.''
So the police admit they didn't know the riders' intent and that they acted based only on "reputation" (ie, stereotype). The sheriff admits he gave them the treatment. And you, your own righteous self, can see elements of harassment in the whole chain of events. What's it going to take for you to at least consider the possibilty that the bikers were treated wrongly?
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