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7496 Views 29 Replies 12 Participants Last post by uteking, Jan 29, 2005

pushrod

Discussion Starter · Jan 27, 2005

Although my arm hurts every time I hear the word "Dragon" or "Deal's Gap" (Triumph Sprint vs. Subaru; long story), it is a wonderful place to ride.

But not right now. Supposed to get up to 48 degrees today, and ice pellets are expected Saturday.

Oh, and FIRST POST!

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· #21 · Jan 27, 2005

Re: Darn if I didn't stir up a can of worms

Thanks Steve, Thanks Longride...

I try... although I haven't been so good at being cool with respect to that toy, It's still in storage at my parents house on the east coast.... my father loves to look at it too much! And since he cannot ride anymore, and he knew the original owner, I like to know eh's enjoying it while I have other bikes to ride.

Can I still be cool guys?

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Steven_Verschoor

· #22 · Jan 27, 2005

Re: Darn if I didn't stir up a can of worms

Coolamundo!

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longride

· #23 · Jan 28, 2005

Re: Darn if I didn't stir up a can of worms

Even if you did love that VFR, you're still the coolest Fonz.

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uteking

· #24 · Jan 28, 2005

As someone who has been employed in the same position at Santa Barbara County, I can only say that not only is it a very difficult job to shut down people who may depend on these type of ventures to provide for their families, but it is especially difficult to try and justify it to outsiders who have no understanding of the process. The fact is, rules were put in place to protect EVERYONE. And whether or not you believe it is government's place to meddle in people's lives, someday those same rules may come in handy to resolve a situation that threatens your family.

Also, the likelyhood in this situation is that the County was likely not notified of graywater discharge or any of the other issues noted in the letter, but rather a complaint by a neighbor or disgruntled customer about noise or some other completely unrelated issue. You'd be suprised at the rate of which these types of issues are completely based on a neighborhood squabble.

And just so you all don't think that SB County is picking on the 'common man,' you should see the letters that went out to Oprah Winfrey for her illegal construction activities...

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4940

· #25 · Jan 28, 2005

Spoken like a true party apparatchik. Rules were put in place to protect EVERYONE. What a load of effluent. Why is it that even though the County has, through coercion, charged the prospective home builder thousands of dollars in fees to "inspect" the construction, the County then absolves itself from any responsibility in a court of law for any shoddy construction on the very structure its been paid to inspect? My step-father was a policeman all of his life, and he once told me that sometimes good police work meant not enforcing every stupid law on the books in every situation. Someone with a true desire to make things fair would not shut down a family business for not jumping through the "necessary" hoops and paying the proper extortion. It is nice to know however that if I have a beef with a neighbor I can call in a report that I saw a star of David on their family crest, and your brethren will show up to give them a rectal exam with a large microscope. VWW

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longride

· #26 · Jan 28, 2005

My favorite quote:

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.--Anatole France

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uteking

· #27 · Jan 29, 2005

First off, thanks for the insults, but after working in this line for a while, you're going to have to do better if you really wanna get me going.

I do not disagree that many times, what is needed is a strong dose of common sense. However, I hope that you don't become one of those people who drives a Suburban and complains about gas prices - whether you know it or not, at some point you WILL need these laws to protect you and your property values - or perhaps it has already happened, and you don't realize it or choose not to accept it.

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· #28 · Jan 29, 2005

While I would agree that one wouldn't want a nuclear waste dump, or large hog farm built next door without some oversight, and would even agree that the Sondog Ranch would not be a good fit in a crowed uban setting, the plain fact is that neither common sense, nor compassion were used in this incident. Sadly far too many or your ilk fail to think outside of the box, and realize that one set of guidelines does not fit every situation. What happened here was a clear case of the heavy hand of government being applied to a problem that could have been resolved with a few suggestions to the owners. VWW

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4940

· #29 · Jan 29, 2005

Uteking, I forgot to add this, as it is an excellent addition to longrides witty quote. VWW

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C. S. Lewis

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uteking

· #30 · Jan 29, 2005

I agree common sense is often thrown out the window in these cases. However, you have to understand as well that the County and the employees involved are under great pressure to 'resolve' the matter for whomever the complaining party is. It becomes a giant tug-of-war between the complaining party, the 'offender', the boss (County Commission, etc.) - which is why I'm no longer in the business.

And trust me, when I was doing this job, in several different jurisdictions, my first thought was to try and reach a reasonable solution between the two parties. However, much of the time, like I said before, the issue is not so much of the alleged violations, but a deep-seeded problem between the two.

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