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Well... I've ridden the Monster S4R, the S2R 1000, and the S4Rs... All three great bikes... the S4Rs is a beast... and the best out of the three... The Tuono... is amazing, and any choice is better than the SV1000S in my opinion... but then again... I'm waiting for the homogolation of the KTM SuperDuke 990...
 

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You can get aftermarket collets to double or triple the adjustment interval on your Ducati - no more reason to ***** about service costs. Never ridden a Tuono but that doesn't stop me from wanting one.



SV1000 is a heavy, lumbering thing with less power than you would expect. I like my 650 more at half the price.
 

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I'm not saying I don't want a Tuono - I routinely salivate over them. And if you get an older model SV1K you can buy a new one at the price of a 650 (which I owned for a year - awesome bike). I think it's very hard to beat the SV1K on pure value. I've taken it to the track, sport-toured on it, and carved the canyons with it (though I miss the 650 flickability in the canyons).
 

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Some of these bikes cost more than others to purchase, as well as maintain. If that's not a concern, get the ST2 or Tuono, and prepare for some wheelies. If you have a budget to meet, and don't ride all that hard, get the SV 1000. The Italian (and British) bikes put better suspensions on their nakeds, I think, right from the get-go. You're the only one who can say whether you need to pay several grand extra, and probably have higher insurance rates and maintenance to get the good stuff. And, yeah, I think the Triumph is the best of the bunch too. Sounds like that's not what you want to hear, so it just comes down to what you want to spend your $$ on.
 

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servicing a duc is not that hard especialy for the 2 valve air coled variety. if you can adjust a quad valve shim over bucket you can do a duc. people pay a premium because they are scared of the desmo valve train.
 

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I have been really happy with my 04 speed triple, it goes, stops and corners well enough to embarass a supersport on the street, it looks the part and has no short amount of character, (and I'm not talking oil leaks) all while being comfortable enough for a couple houndred mile sunday afternoon jaunt for about 9 grand. I had cheaper options, but they were just that, they all skimped in the suspension brakes and frame department, think fz1, z1000, 919, bandit, sv1000 some had stronger engines, but not by much. any how by the time you upgrade the substandard shasis you might as well had spent the extra grand at the dealer. the triumph on the other hand was with the exeption of the engine tune a daytona with the fairing removed, not the hotest bike on the market but much beter than the other manufacturers striped "sportbikes"

The ducati monster s4r was a nice bike but it cost 13 anyhow.

Today I would buy any of the italian bikes or the triumph and I would trip over my tongue to get to a 990 super duke.

The Europeans have been into nakeds for a long time and they "seem" to understand that no one wants a dumbed down chasis and motor in a bike that is by its own admission is designed blast through back road corners and break trafic laws.

I don't know why the nakeds allways seem to be cheated when they reach into the parts bin, but you get what you pay for, and I really doubt the price diference tween the naked and faired models is simply the fairings
 
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