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Re: A new 2004 Buell Lightening Owner speaks

Nice Bike. Good to hear from real owners like you. Glad to hear the reliability is good. I have a soft spot for Buell. Did you have Japanese bikes before? If so how do maintenance costs compare. I am thinking because you have self adjusting valves on it it should be much cheaper than my Ninja ($400 per service).
 

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Re: A new 2004 Buell Lightening Owner speaks

I had two Kawasaki's a 2001 Ninja 250 and a 1984 GPZ 900 R Ninja. Both were Ok bikes, but I didn't like having to mess with the chains, that's one of the reasons for buying the Buell instead. If you go by the book on maintenance it's pretty close to the same. I know of two owners here at work with XB9Rs that are doing there own maintenance. Something most people could not do with the Japanese bikes.
 

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I'd think that the Monster 620ie might also be easy for her to manage. I'm 5'6" and tested the XB9S Low during some races last year and was really impressed with the feel of the bike as well. Frankly, I think the most important thing to think about is the quality of the dealership you buy the Buell (or any other bike) from.



For example, I bought a brand new BMW R1100R a few years back... partly based on their reputation for reliability. Frankly, it was the biggest piece of junk I've ever owned out of about 8 motorcycles. It spent 8 weeks in the shop out of the first six months I owned it.



I also had a 1995 Harley 883 Sporster that shook like crazy, but it never had a single problem and maintenance was simple and cheap (just oil changes... no valve adjustments and the belt drive is extremely clean and requires almost no maintenance at all). It cost a third as much as the BMW.



My point is that you can hear horror stories about every bike out there (except for Hondas, but I may have just never heard the stories). Buy what she really wants... I'd rather have a bike that I love that has a few problems than a bike that bores me to tears just because it's reliable. Most of us don't use these bikes for daily transportation, so it's not the end of the world if it's in the shop. If the dealer or manufacturer includes a loaner bike as a part of their warranty coverage, then you won't even have to miss a day of riding!



 

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Re: You have never ridden a bolt have you?

Hey, Kpaul,

We don't need no stinking politics in a motorcycle discussion. Whats next? Religion? As far as Buells go, I had a 97 Cyclone for three years and found I't to be a very low maintance machine. Probably the most fun motorcycle I've ever owned.
 

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Re: You have never ridden a bolt have you?

Thanks for put. As far a politics goes this guy I responded is on my lshyt ist along Buz for engaging in political crap and then name calling on other thread. I really wasn't talking to them in the thread and I didn't bring up the politics. In response to another guys point on outsourcing, I just cited an article and that is when this idiot and Buzglyd went to the name calling. But you are right I won't respond to these guys anymore.
 

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I ride an 01 X1 Lightning, its had its share of problems, buts its a lot of fun. I'd agree on the dealer issue tho, some buell dealers suck, no parts, nobody who can diagnose problems let alone fix them.

Check out the local dealer, do they have a BRAG group? Thats a good indication of a dealer that cares.

Also if you want more info that you could read in a lifetime, check out http://www.badweatherbikers.com, you'll find everything you could want to know there.
 

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Re: You have never ridden a bolt have you?

Man, guys! PLEASE! Leave the politics crap out of these discussions. Bush's Misery Index in no way relates in to what I am trying to help my wife figure out and consider!
 

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Re: She's look incredibly cute on a Monster

I think you're right seruzawa. Is it possible that kp is a clandestine Bush operative? Despite the fact that GW is slightly futher down my list than Micheal Moore, kp actually has me considering a Bush vote. VWW
 

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Man, this thread doesn't seem to be helping much. First off, I appreciate all the comments and help. It just seems that for every one person that has had a great buell, there is one person that has had problems. I guess to clarify, my wife wants to get away from cruisers, and the lightning is the only thing thus far she can stand flat-footed with. The warrior is a sweet bike, but a tad heavy for her. Thanks for the tips on the monster 620. She prefers the looks of that, especially the dark, over the lightning. Only downside is inusurance is more for the duc, but it's either gonna be more for the bike and cheaper insurance, and reversed. Gonna pay either way I guess. Thanks for all your help, guys!
 

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Two other things I thought about

1. If you will notice not one person who actually owns a new XB series Buell has said they had a problem, big difference between it and the older ones almost to the point of not even being from the same company.

2. The clutch is a little heavy on the Buell XB. But, I found that if I keep the cable freshly lubed it helps, still it's still heavier then either of the Japanese bikes I have owned. Bottom line, make sure she has pulled in on the clutch a few times to make sure it's not too heavy for her.
 

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A: Don't discount the SV650, its SMALL, cheap, and an amazing pocket-sportbike.



B: State Farm for insurance, they write based on displacement and they are cheap on motorcycle policies, esp for full coverage. A 610 Ducati would be very cheap to insure.

 

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Another Two Cents:



I have not owned a Buell so I can`t say anything from first-hand experience regarding those bikes, but I will point out that a long warranty is not indicative of good reliability, rather, just the opposite. In reading the postings regarding your question, I have noticed many posters pointing out the 2 year warranty as a positive point for Buell. While it is certainly a good thing if you actually buy one, you may want to think again about whether a long warranty is necessarily a good selling point.

I work in the automotive industry and have noticed that the companies with the worst percieved quality/reliability record are the ones offering 10 year/ 100,000 mile warranties. Companies do this when they are:

1- Trying to build a market presence when they are an unknown quantity to the consumer - i.e. Kia, Hyundai, etc.

2- Trying to repair a percieved quality/reliability issue in the market - Mitsubishi, Chrysler in the early eighties when they were bailed out by Uncle Sam and had to start all over.



When companies start advertising their new, improved, longer warranties, big red flashing lights go off in my head. If you compare warranties, Honda, Toyota, or any of the Japanese bike brands will invariably have the worst warranty coverage, but that is because they have successfully built confidence in the market that their products are reliable enough that a long warranty is unnecessary. This can only be done by selling products that actually are reliable and of high quality. In the long term, it is nearly impossible to fool the entire market into believing your product is good if it isn`t.



As for your dilema, I would recommend a Suzuki SV-650, GS 500, Kawasaki Ninja 500, 250 or any number of smaller bikes that, for the money, you won`t be able to touch with a buell. With the money saved, you can have the seat modified to lower it with no problem.



Once again, just my two cents.
 

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test ride! :)

I heard a commercial the other day that April was "test month" or something at buell dealers. I was even thinking of going and taking a spin myself just for fun.

Though for my two cents go for the Honda 599 hornet. Taking the bomb proof CBR600F3 engine and creating a sport standard was a stroke of genious a long time comming! (in the US) It may be perhaps the best all around streetbike for sale IMO...
 

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The Bush Campaign's strategy on taxes is to convince America that John Kerry wants to raise them. Right now **** Cheney is pushing an absurd distortion that John Kerry wants to raise taxes by $1.7 trillion dollars.

In fact, John Kerry wants to lower taxes for 98% of Americans while seeking fiscal discipline by repealing the budget-busting tax cuts Bush gave to the richest Americans making over $200,000 a year.
 

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More truth to come

Family incomes have declined by $1,462 under President Bush.

In the last year the middle class has experienced near-record jumps in the cost of healthcare, college tuition, and gas:

College tuition up 13 percent -- the largest increase on record

Health premiums up 11 percent -- the largest increase since 1977

Gas prices have risen by 15 percent, causing the average family to spend $300 more per year -- the second largest increase since 1980
 
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