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Here it is, read it and weep. The most outrageous and irrational anti-motorcycle "law" that's come down the pike for many years. If you recall, this is the a-hole who initially wanted to sieze your bike and throw you in jail for speeding. The Legislature toned it down slightly so it wasn't so brazenly discriminatory. This weekend Lopez went out on patrol to enjoy the results of his asinine escalation of the cops vs. rider war. How's this little gem grab you: "If the plate is mounted improperly, officers can fine the rider $1,000."
$1,000 fine for speeding 50 mph over limit takes effect in Florida -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Thanks to the AMA for at least trying to tone this ******* down. AMA and ABATE both fought this. If you aren't a member of AMA, join. They aren't perfect, but they are our advocates.
 

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Heh heh. Welcome to Florida.

The most irritating thing to me about these draconian fines for speeding is that in all the stories I see about someone being caught doing 150mph on an empty road no one is ever injured. Whenever I see some donut muncher sitting in his car staring at his laser gun I think, "Cripes, how many rapes, middle school drug sales and child beatings occurred while this lazy slob rakes in revenue?"

We would be better served if they spent their time on people who run red lights. Or just drove around where they can be seen. I see the UHP citing speeders a lot....as I pass the parked patrol car at 85mph. LOL!
 

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Yes, welcome to revenue enhancement, the Viagra of local govt. pork.

Like a $900.00 wheelie ticket (my last one btw) and 3 points on the old drivers license, local pork sniffers are legislating street bikes out of existance. Some poor bastard down on the next block was doing wheelies on his old XR600 and they called three cops cars, and the helicopter to come and impound his bike, and haul him away for "reckless endangerment" or some such new pork law they have around here now.

Can't wait to get the Go Devil running, maybe they'll write a new law "Flagrant paraplegic misuse of an unlicenced motor vehicle" or something. Fie and Pox.
 

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You should have seen the law in it's original form! Some of the stuff that the AMA and ABATE were able to get removed included:

Automatic forfiture of your motorcycle upon arrest (NOT conviction), using the same law they use to take homes, boats and cars from drug smugglers. There are several hundred people suing the State of FL to get their property back after their arrests were either thrown out or they were acquitted.

Automatic arrest: no officer discretion, you go to jail. Of course, if it's the weekend, or your broke or don't have someone to bail you out, you'll be there a while.

Loss of motorcycle endorsement for life on the 2ond offense.

The first couple of "features" were tossed because even though the Legislature wanted to whip this on the riders, they knew it wouldn't hold up unless they applied it to cagers. And of course, the cager community would fight it. The third item was tossed because the only way to make it non-discriminatory was to take driving priviledges as well.

THis would be a great time for government to be embracing and supporting motorcycling. Instead, we get this ****less wonder Rep. Carlos Lopez-Cantera, R-Miami (I put his full name/title in. I"m hoping his staff does web searches and will find my comments. Lopez, you are a slimy waste of meat, wish you were in my voting district) promoting this crap.

In a previous story, it was revealed that the Lopiss-****era family had been terrorized by a gang of evil stunters who did wheelies within clear sight of his helpless children. Ya know, Mr. Lopez, considering the crime and drug rate y'all have down in Miami-Dade, I think your priorities are as ****ed up as your traffic law.
 

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My colleague to the South seems to be slightly put-out...

That being said, I'm reminded of what our local Sheriff had to say about the new Law, "We have the Death Penalty, but folks are still going out and killing people..."

It ain't more laws, it's more enforcement of the ones already in place!

Of course, the Legislators don't have to fund the new laws...
 

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Ken, these aren't the kind of concessions we have to make to live in a larger society are they? If they are, I'm extremely disappointed! :)
It isn't easy, is it? Especially since you can't pack up the old Conestoga wagon and get the hell out of town anymore...it's just another town with the next set of concessions to be made down the road.

Space! Motorcyles in space! That's the answer!
 

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Ken, these aren't the kind of concessions we have to make to live in a larger society are they? If they are, I'm extremely disappointed! :)
I love that "concessions" argument. It's always made by people who want to take your freedom away but who have no intention of giving any of theirs away.

The more laws and penalties that are passed to MORE destabilized society is.

When it comes to these lawmaker types Jefferson's comment on the blood of tyrants becomes more and more apropos. They simply will not stop until everyone of us is in a shock collar or worse.

Anyone who thinks this thread is moving off the subject of motorcycles has limited intellect. Our sport is under assault as never before. all at the hands of those who would "save" us.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
-- C.S. Lewis
 

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Our sport is under assault as never before. all at the hands of those who would "save" us.
And this will continue to happen until everyone stops voting for the two main parties. Anyone that thinks any of this will change while you still vote Democrat or Republican is delusional.

I've had this same argument with gun owners. They will beat the drum of "A Democrat will take away your guns!" But, it is apparent that gun rights have been diminished during Democrat administrations and Republican administrations.

So, when people tell me I throw away my vote for voting for Libertarian I find it ignorant and insulting when the vast majority continue to vote for the same people that take and steal from you.

So, good luck to all of you who think Obama is a Muslim or that he will raise taxes. And good luck to those that think Palin is stupid or that McCain is crazy and old. Bottom line is if you hope for different results from your government you are wasting your vote when you vote for either main party.
 

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You make some good points there Zawa. In fact, the TSA is testing a bracelet right now that all airline passengers may be required to wear. It allows them to "Taze" anyone remotely from a control station or by using a laser pointer.

I'll stick by my comment that we have to make concessions to live in a larger society. Unless you're on a remote island living in isolation, you already have. You're using the highways and agreeing (in theory anyway) to drive on the right side of the road. Maybe your kid is in school and you bring him there on time.

Having said that, I have to agree, even as a "Liberal Democrat," that we've gone further than we should in invading personal liberties needlessly. I'm ok with laws preventing people from pouring toxic waste in my drinking water supply, but I'm not ok with anyone telling me I can't pour or inhale toxins down my throat if I wish.

The great thing about America was that we traditionally had a set of checks and balances that kept things under control; it was unlike anything else before or since. Now I think that system has been greatly dilluted by an Executive Branch that has far too much power. Locally, as the urban areas grow more crowded and resources and space shrink, dumbasses like Lopez get the support they need for their excessive laws.
 

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Ken, there is a huge difference between making a law to prevent people from hurting other people, and making a law to prevent me from hurting myself. We all know we need certain laws to keep order on the streets and highways. Nobody questions those. But when I get fined for not wearing my seatbelt, or I have to wear a helmet to ride my motorcycle, or people can't smoke on a beach, that is what I object to. I think the concessions we REALLY have to make are ones that say people can get hurt or killed in a free society without the need for laws to try to prevent every occurrence. Remember, if it only save one life........
 

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Ken, there is a huge difference between making a law to prevent people from hurting other people, and making a law to prevent me from hurting myself. I think the concessions we REALLY have to make are ones that say people can get hurt or killed in a free society without the need for laws to try to prevent every occurrence. Remember, if it only save one life........
We are in agreement. You said it quite well.
 

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We are starting to agree way too much lately. I'm getting the willies! :) Besides, your just a dumb ass street rider that don't know shyt anyway.
I ain't buying no Knuck, so it ends here.

Actually, I was finished with my rant on Moke and then read your posts...and found I'd repeated what you'd said.

Now, about that vote in November....
 

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You make some good points there Zawa. In fact, the TSA is testing a bracelet right now that all airline passengers may be required to wear. It allows them to "Taze" anyone remotely from a control station or by using a laser pointer.

I'll stick by my comment that we have to make concessions to live in a larger society. Unless you're on a remote island living in isolation, you already have. You're using the highways and agreeing (in theory anyway) to drive on the right side of the road. Maybe your kid is in school and you bring him there on time.

Having said that, I have to agree, even as a "Liberal Democrat," that we've gone further than we should in invading personal liberties needlessly. I'm ok with laws preventing people from pouring toxic waste in my drinking water supply, but I'm not ok with anyone telling me I can't pour or inhale toxins down my throat if I wish.

The great thing about America was that we traditionally had a set of checks and balances that kept things under control; it was unlike anything else before or since. Now I think that system has been greatly dilluted by an Executive Branch that has far too much power. Locally, as the urban areas grow more crowded and resources and space shrink, dumbasses like Lopez get the support they need for their excessive laws.
My point is that we have gone about 40 years beyond the point of more "concessions". And I stand by my assertion that, today, every demand for us to give up more freedom is simply a scam to enslave. These people will not stop until we are back in chains. Next up: Parents' debts passed on to their children. The banks, credit card companies and medical associations are already proposing such.
 
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