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I agree that the government shouldn't require us to wear helmets ... How else are we gonna see who all the Idiots are ...



After 8 years as a Paramedic, I tally the score:



full helmet wearers 10 out of 14 lived ...

half helmet wearers 8 out of 15 lived ...

non helmet wearers 7 out of 20 lived ...



this is just on my shift from my own records.



Granted, the 10 of 14 were still pretty messed up ... but you should have seen the 13 of that 20 ... yuk !!! and the 7 that lived ... they aren't dating any of the models in Maxim ... for sure ...
 

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Re: my previous comment

I was just thinking, the higher death rate of the non helmet wearer bunch may me attributed to them being dumb asses to begin with ... may be they put themselves into some dumb situations that caused the crash ... which i have this little story to share ...

ever seen a guy look to the side and loose his sunglasses and then try to catch them as they are falling off his head and then as he is falling on the street in front of the car he was checking out you really get a good look at how big his eye sockets get!!!
 

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Re: Part II of Gabe''s final word...

I'm really glad you capitalized be BE AWARE ... 'cause statisticly there are more of those youths in 200+hp 2000+lb 4 wheel assult weapons ... point is, you can be smarter than the dumbass who pulls right in front of you ... but you still run into him/her and you still lose.
 

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Hey Minime

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First just a note to say I just registered due to the fact that this is the first thing I read on the site that made me want to do so, so I wouldn't be anon ...



Second is this snide remark ... YOU READ MAXIM ?!!! I just look at the pictures ... ;o)



Third is another remark you can take with a grain of salt ... I heard that a survey in V-Twin Magizine said that people prefer LOUD PIPES.



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Not that the subscriber base has anything to do with it ... right !!! :eek:) I'm glad this reader base isn't as biased ... or is it?



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Ok so now the real reason I came out the closet sorta speak ... There IS no magazine called V-Twin? ... well just imagine there is? Imagine that there are several different shades of grey.



Imagine there are more people that think there are times when it is just A OK to putt about with no helmet on ... like me. I suppose I have talked to too many bystanders that report that car just pulled right in front of that biker ... man, that bike had no where to go but to skid right into that car ... and yet I putted about with my cheap 5 dollar sunglasses for protection



HEY MAN ... PEOPLE GET KILLED IN ACCIDENTS WHERE BOTH ARE IN CARS !!!



But YOUR motorcycle can turn a 90 degree angle quicker than you can say ****!!! ... right? ... Yeah, I've had one of those bikes since I was 15 ...



But this True story as told by someone I just revived in the middle of the street, leads me to radically change my mind ...



I was riding to the corner store ... 3 blocks away from my house ... I remember a little girl running from behind a truck parked on the side of the road ... Did I hit her? I told him Yep, she's in the unit behind us ... He looks at me for about 5 seconds with a blank look on his face then says, Is she bluurt blad? ... sis she wort wad? His eyes stayed open the whole time I was taking his vital signs ... which were normal ... respirations normal ... BP nomal ... Eyes fixed, dialated ... YEP ... was he now brain dead ... maybe ... but he sure was 30 mins later at the Hospital ... YEP! Hey, he had a bruise on his knee that was a little swollen and one on the left side of his chest ... big knot on the right side of his skull too ... he would have made a great organ donor ... I did tell you I am a paramedic right? Oh, did I tell you that the girl's mom said she yelled at her daughter to watch out for the motorcycle coming down the street? Did I tell you that the lady said her daughter just froze in the middle of the street ... and how the handle bar hit her in the shoulder and how the biker guy jumped right up after he and his bike hit the ground to go help her daughter ... how the guy yelled for someone to call 911 ... then collapsed in the middle of the street ... how she said she was thanking GOD that her daughter or that biker guy didn't get killed ...

did I tell you:

how suprised that lady was when she found out that the guy on the bike died ...

how she said, but he was going so slow ... how did he die? ...

how she said if he had a helmet on he probably would have gotten out of the ER faster than her daughter who suffered a BIG bruise on her shoulder and some scratches on her leg.



Did I tell you about the time ... I wore my helmet and someone threw a coke can full of dirt from the overpass and it hit me right on top of my helmet !!! I was doing about 45mph ... boy did that scare the crap out of me ... sure glad I was wearing my helmet then !





Did I tell you about the time this guy put a bullet in his revolver and spun the cylinder, put it up to his head and pulled the trigger and it went ... ... ... clik ... lucky guy ... ... huh? ... very ... cause the bullet was chambered but the primer was bad, just the dent ... I told you this was in the ER at Charity Hospital in New Orlenas right ...? Remember when the space shuttle Columbia blew up !!! Weird **** happens eh!?



Wear the freaking helmet !!!
 

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I would NEVER do it with a porn star - here's why

Ever been with a girl who's so hot and horny that the moment you stick it to her she screams in ecstasy?. that's when you know you're getting it good. the girl is fresh, young(hopefully) and horny. With a porn star, she not only gets it 5 times a day, but is so desensitized that you'd have to shove a stick of dynamite up her twot and light it for her to feel anything. Don't get me wrong, they're nice to look at - but i'll stick to porking young girl-next-door types, thanks
 

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smokers ... I gotta say yes ... Fat people? hhmmnnn ... how bout this ... if you can go from one to the other in a few seconds, then yes if not, no ... it takes a few seconds to never smoke again .. but you can't drop 10 pounds as fast as it takes to put on a freaking helmet.
 

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Re: wasting time ... not if it saves one person !

Yes, the figures are from my little notebook I kept over the last 8 years from all Code 3 calls in the New Orleans Area that I have personally been on scene relating to traffic accidents and motorbikes. (Code 3 means all sirens and lights and pretty much disregard traffic signals and speed limits, ... or rather dead guy at scene come save him/her NOW) There is no media hype from my personal experience ... and for years I didn't wear a helmet either ... I knew most of the deputies and could get away with it until the law was repealled.

Helmet or not they are F'd up bad already I mean really F'd up bad ... and the helmet wearers seem to have faired better ... no proof mind you .. just my own observations and statistics.

I don't even count the time where a guy let his bike fall in his garage. The bike spanked him on the ground and he hit his head on the wall and broke his nose ... ya don't seem to hear about the times when the guy with the helmet came away unscaved ... because he had that helmet on ... You know how it is ya don't here about the good service but you definitely hear about the bad.

There Is a lot of drinking in New Orleans and a dumb drunk with a helmet seems to outlive a dumb drunk without one in my book.

I don't mean to offend you, but I do think it is dumb to ride without one. Perhaps I value my life a little more, or if you like to look at it another way, I'm more of a worrier than you are ... our values maybe different ... hell maybe I just live in an area were the people drive more like maniacs there were you live and are used to. Maybe I should have qualified my statement by saying ... anyone who lives in New Orleans and doesn't wear their helmet is a dumbass. I'm glad I live here in the USA where that's allowed. But one thing I know ... Helmets save lives. And that's something I know as a personal fact.

Also I've never experienced a car wreck from birth not when i was a kid or since I could drive ... but I buckle up evertime I sit my ass in a car.
 

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Re: It's sad assholes like you care about my head...

I ride because I feel the enjoyment outweighs the risks, but why not mitigate the risks by assuming you will crash everytime you ride? I usually don't, but I often do. (4 times this year, in fact! And I was unhurt every time, because I prepare for it.)

If you think just living by an airport or hanging out with fat people is as dangerous as riding a motorcycle, you need to stop dropping so much LSD.
 

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Re: VFR vs. Biker Smackdown!

The sportriders I know are ATHLETES, with lots of physical endurance and upper body strength. As far as posers go, some are fat, some thin, some muscular.
 

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Re: Crying about insurance and such

The point about insurance, or taxes, or loud pipes etc is all the same one- we're in this boat together and our actions affect each other. Individual rights are fine and dandy but the argument that a rider can do as he pleases because only he is affected is incorrect. We all pay for individual excesses. I would like to see insurance paid along with the purchase of gas. Tax me and insure me on the spot- Ride a little pay a little, ride a lot pay a lot. Cars pay more because they use more gas and cause more damage.One ifxed flat fee for all and everyone pays- no brokers etc.

enjoy,

don't go postal

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Re: My Last Word On Helmets.

The Supreme Court has uconstitutionally usurped its power to legislate. The Supreme Court was never intended to decide what rights are defendable and which are not. The court has used this amendment to force many kinds of unpopular legislation upon the people over the years, the most repugnant being a non-existent right to privacy which was the basis for an abortion mandate. The ninth amendment does not guarantee any rights in particular, it merely states that there are rights, not specifically enumerated, that exist. The enumerated rights should be enough to provide for the protection of so-called unenumerated rights, provided that the enumerated rights are themselves respected. For example: the Court decided in Conneticut vs. Griswold that there was a right to marital privacy or, more accurately, a right to use contraception. The local laws were limiting in this respect. Provided that manufacture, sale, and possession of contraceptives was legal, property rights, rights against search and seizure, and the fifth amendment (due process of law) should be enough to protect those that wish to use contraceptives. The right to marital privacy did not exist, no matter how much the court wanted it to. The law against contraceptives was constitutional, since any rights not enumerated are reserved to the the states and the people. If popularity for a law against contraceptives was high enough, passing a law against contraceptives is perfectly constitutional. However, the other specifically enumerated rights previously mentioned would make prosecution difficult at best. Property rights and protection against search and seizure would effectively prohibit the gathering of evidence.
 

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The Sausage Emperor Has no Clothes!

Always good to hear from the lunatic fringe of the meat-packing world! Boy, Abe, you sure sound lucid- I think you have read a lot of ultra-conservative rhetoric, but have a fuzzy understanding of Constitutional Law. I''ll respond to your points one by one.

1. The Supreme Court has uconstitutionally usurped its power to legislate. The Supreme Court was never intended to decide what rights are defenendable(sic)and which are not.

Well, Abe, if the Supreme Court has acted unconstitutionally, it''s the first I''ve heard of it. I''d love to reference some reputable legal scholars who agree with you. But there''s a long, long body of cases, going back to Marbury v. Madison, that gives the Supreme Court the power to decide on the Constitutional validity of state and Federal legislation. When you say that the Supreme Court was never intended to decide which rights were protected, I would respond that the Supreme Court, as well as every other branch of government, does lots of things they weren''t specifically intended to do. However, Article III, section 2[1] of the US Constitution says; The Judical Power shall extend...to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party... The power is extended by the Fourteenth Amendment to include overseeing privleges and immunities. I just don''t see how you can say the Court has no right to decide on what liberties should be protected.

2.The court has used this amendment to force many kinds of unpopular legislation upon the people over the years, the most repugnant being a non-existent right to privacy which was the basis for an abortion mandate.

Uh-oh! Right to life rhetoric alert! Do you really think having a right to privacy is repugnant? You don''t like legal abortion, and I understand that. But many Americans do. Just because legislation is unpopular doesn''t make it illegitimate or wrong. If that was true, there would be no laws at all, which I know is what you want, but non-looneys don''t want to live in a lawless society, thanks very much!

3. The ninth amendment does not guarantee any rights in particular, it merely states that there are rights, not specifically enumerated, that exist. The enumerated rights should be enough

to provide for the protection of so-called unenumerated rights, provided that the enumerated

rights are themselves respected.

Yeah, that''s exactly what I said! Except without the so-called part, which I think you added, since MY copy of the Constitution lacks that bit.

I mean, if a right isn''t enumerated, it must be unenumerated, right?

4. Provided that manufacture, sale, and possession of contraceptives was legal, property rights, rights against search and seizure, and the fifth amendment (due process of law) should be enough to protect those that wish to use contraceptives.

Sure, until the Christian Right passes laws requiring infra-red SexPolice cameras in the bedroom, since you say there''s no such thing as a right to privacy! And what''s to prevent the Chrietian Right from passing legislation outlawing the sale, distribution and possesion of birth control, since we have no right to it?

4. The law against contraceptives was constitutional, since any rights not enumerated are reserved to the the states and the people. If popularity for a law against contraceptives was high enough, passing a law against contraceptives is perfectly constitutional.

That logic isn''t quite as solid as one of your Kielbasas, Abe! I''m glad it''s not true, since I could list a litany of unjust laws that were perfectly popular through the ages, from Jim Crow to anti-asian immigration laws, to laws against Jews and Communists, all the way up to the present anti-homosexual witch hunt in the military. Abe for Fuhrer! I mean, uh, president.

6. However, the other specifically enumerated rights previously mentioned would make prosecution difficult at best. Property rights and protection against search and seizure would effectively prohibit the gathering of evidence.

Oh you bet they would! Just tell that to the million or so folks in prison sitting out petty drug-offense sentences!

Do us all a favor, Mr. Froman: Keep making the sausages, and leave criminal defense to the pros!

All the Fourth Amendment guarantees is that the government maust furnish a warrant before busting into your bedroom to search your nightstand for Trojans. Ask a DA how hard it is to get a warrant, (especially in Chicago!) and say that stuff again with a straight face.

Actually, I don''t know what all this has to do with helmet laws- someone said they have a right to not wear a helmet, and I responded. I guess your response indicates you agree- since there is no mention of helmets in the bill of rights, we have no right to go helmetless? Or is your argument that the government has no legitimacy, so all laws are meaningless?

I''m staying away from Chicago!
 

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Oh no, its the Gestapo!

I hate it when people bandy about terms like gestapo or nazis. It really is insulting to people who's families were murdered by real nazis.

Who are these gestapo? How many people have they murdered? How much speech have they surpressed? Has even one person been savegely beaten by DOT thugs?

How does a safety device on your head prevent your back from breaking? Well, actually there's a post above that addresses that exact point. But I also wear a back protector when I ride. In any case, there's a lot more head injuries than spinal cord injuries. Also, there's nothing you can wear on a bike to prevent every kind of spinal cord injury. But a helmet can prevent a LOT of head injury (but not all) so why not wear it, since it doesn't significantly hurt anything.

When it is their or our turn to die it will happen. No amount of safety gear will help you.

Boy am I glad I'm not you! If I was I'd be dead!

About ten years ago, I was in a lil' 'ol coubtry called Kuwait. When the Ground War started, I was a machine gunner on a Humm-vee. We drove into a mine field (long story), and my truck was blown to bits.

I was totally unhurt, because we had armored the floor with sandbags, and I was wearing a flak vest and helmet. There were rips on my helmet cover from shrapnel. If God really wanted to collect me that day, he could have, I guess, but I survived.

Also, I've crashed about 15 times since I first started riding. I had a helmet on every single time. I've never had more than a superficial injury. Would I have survived every crash helmetless? Maybe. But would you bet $100 on it?
 

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Damn Straight!

Is it just me, or do pro-helmet law advocates spell better?

Anyway, very well said. I wanted to emphasise that I feel helmet laws keep government off the back of responsible motorcycle enthusiasts, while discouraging the reckless poseurs that are the REAL threat to our sport, but you said it better than me.
 

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Re: Oh no, its the Gestapo!

Oh really? I'll bet those guys have crashed hundreds of times! I've crashed a lot because I've ridden for 13 years, and have raced for 6.

Maybe you can ride better than me, but I know I ride better than most riders.

Most of these crashes were pretty minor affairs.

If you were more than a sunny sunday poseur, you'd have a lot more crashes as well.
 

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Re: Oh no, its the Gestapo!

Wow! What thoughtful and witty repartee! I guess my appropriate reply should be, (say with a nasal, whiney tone) No, YOU shut the f*&k up!

Seriously, what in the above post do I know nothing about? How do I display my idiocy? Just curious.
 

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Re: Damn Straight!

Not a rocket scientist, but someone with the courtesy and insight to want to post a thought-out, researched, easy-to-read commentary, rather than spouting out hearsay and stream-of-consciousness gibberish.
 
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