Yeah, but the Laptop from work that I use (afterhours, of course) changes. I enable cookies, but don't want everyone else that I share puters with the benefit of my money. If I log out, then on a diff. puter log back in, will you then tell me that I am trying to rort the system by giving my login details to someone else?
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Wow, you lost me.
When you want to logout, you can do so by hitting the "Exit" button in our account at /user.motml, or just bookmark:
http://news.motorcycle.com/delcookie.motml
That'll delete all MO cookies.
Then, everyone will be an Anonymous Squid on the machine you just left, and you're free to login anywhere else, and the login database knows that you've paid.
You'll start seeing leftboxes, like the Who's Online one, that only paid MOians can see.
Be carefull that you don't leave more than two machines logged in with the same name, it'll set off the stolen password alarms.
When you want to logout, you can do so by hitting the "Exit" button in our account at /user.motml, or just bookmark:
http://news.motorcycle.com/delcookie.motml
That'll delete all MO cookies.
Then, everyone will be an Anonymous Squid on the machine you just left, and you're free to login anywhere else, and the login database knows that you've paid.
You'll start seeing leftboxes, like the Who's Online one, that only paid MOians can see.
Be carefull that you don't leave more than two machines logged in with the same name, it'll set off the stolen password alarms.
You're other right!
Just kidding.
Did I say right? I meant left. Sorry, been a long morning/day/night.
We're gonna ad some comedy to the message, and make it randomly change...
Just kidding.
Did I say right? I meant left. Sorry, been a long morning/day/night.
We're gonna ad some comedy to the message, and make it randomly change...
I've donated, but I don't see the confirmation (left or right). Also, it appears that the skins/styles for customizing the page visuals aren't working.
Duh, I logged out and then logged back in - now it is there.
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I must say I am somewhat disappointed by this article. I read the headline and thought, "Wow! Motorcycle Online is going to make money by franchising its name to a line of hot cereals, and won't become a fee site after all!" Alas, it was not to be. Well, maybe I'll get around to donating something one of these days.
As one of the biggest opponents of charging for the site, I'm happy to say that this proposal sounds great, and you'll get my donation soon. Thanks for thinking through this issue and coming up with a reasonable solution.
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IMHO you should make some accomodation to...
registered readers who have actually *bought* something from one of your advertisers thanks to MO linking them up (e.g., at least a discount on any fee required to become a member with full privileges). I am now the proud owner of a new helmet at a better price than I could get locally thanks to MO.
To take your speculation one step further, 150 readers who actually *buy* things from your advertisers are worth more to them than 150 million who don't!
registered readers who have actually *bought* something from one of your advertisers thanks to MO linking them up (e.g., at least a discount on any fee required to become a member with full privileges). I am now the proud owner of a new helmet at a better price than I could get locally thanks to MO.
To take your speculation one step further, 150 readers who actually *buy* things from your advertisers are worth more to them than 150 million who don't!
Methinks you'd better put an "Exit" (or "Logout") button on every page, so people don't have to go hunting for it. Or at least a link to the "user" page.
OK, I know on the news pages you've got the little "Main Menu", buried on the left under the long list of "Who's Online", that has a "Your MO account" link (which takes one to the /user.motml page you mentioned). I mean you need something on all the article pages, right up top. Make it a big, obvious button to remind people that they should log out.
Hmmm... how about a RightBox for donators that has a button to change your password (a common request) and another to logout, and another to try and request live help from whichever MO staffer is online at that time -- another big request, or rather, complaint that we're too hard to find a published e-mail address, which we do on purpose since we get so much e-mail. I guess paying readers get to the top of the attention heap!
I was going to make the first sentence "No, we're not hawking Girl Scout Cookies (yet) to raise revenues..."
Be we're getting hammered with flames so much lately, I'm losing my sense of humor... :-(
Be we're getting hammered with flames so much lately, I'm losing my sense of humor... :-(
I've considered donating, but every time I try to access the donation screen, I get ... "The page cannot be displayed" screen of death !
Two questions
1) Are you saying that if we want to access the site from a PC at home, as well as at work, that we have to make sure we logoff from our machine at work, otherwise we won't be able to log in from home? (Or we'll set off the the stolen password alarm.) Is this something that can be triggered automatically. I don't actually go through the login, probably because I have the cookie, so how am I supposed to remember to log out?
2) Regarding the moderation of messages, I think this is a good idea. But I have to say, if I'm registered, donated, paid, subscribed (whatever), and I suddenly can't post because some group of moderators may not have agreed with my comments, I'll be pretty upset. Of course, maybe with a smaller audience, I won't be flaming some of the less friendly/knowledgable users.
PS I've never accessed the site as a registered user from my home PC because I couldn't remember my password. I'll be trying that today (without logging off from work) to see what it does.
1) Are you saying that if we want to access the site from a PC at home, as well as at work, that we have to make sure we logoff from our machine at work, otherwise we won't be able to log in from home? (Or we'll set off the the stolen password alarm.) Is this something that can be triggered automatically. I don't actually go through the login, probably because I have the cookie, so how am I supposed to remember to log out?
2) Regarding the moderation of messages, I think this is a good idea. But I have to say, if I'm registered, donated, paid, subscribed (whatever), and I suddenly can't post because some group of moderators may not have agreed with my comments, I'll be pretty upset. Of course, maybe with a smaller audience, I won't be flaming some of the less friendly/knowledgable users.
PS I've never accessed the site as a registered user from my home PC because I couldn't remember my password. I'll be trying that today (without logging off from work) to see what it does.
I know I didn't explain it well last night, it was late and I was tired...
Anyway, in answer to #1) No. It'll be checking for more than two _active sessions_ with a TTL of 17 minutes. That is, if you're on at home and it takes you more than 17 minutes to get to work, your old session is "inactive" even though you're still logged in. The difference is between active use (sessions) and maintaining information, (cookies), the latter are really a mechanism for maintaining state, such as your username and post viewing preferences so you're "recognized" by the system. What we're probably going to do, unless someone has a better suggestion, is allow each user account no more than two active sessions. This is needed because you might walk from one computer to your co-workers and login there (or from home to the library, etc), and if we didn't allow more than one, you'd be locked out. And really pissed off, I'd think.
The need for this is because of rampant password sharing amongst people that don't wanna pay their share. On the other hand, why shouldn't your wife/kids be able to view MO from your account at home while you're at work? If you want them to be able to, leave it logged in and they can, or logout and they can't. Kinda like leaving National Geographic on the coffee table for the kids, and hiding Playboy in the broom closet. ;-)
2) Steve, you have to be moderated down to -1 several times to get the Troll ranking, which is several different people moderating you _down_ twice. I wouldn't worry about it, most posts are going to get moderated up. The only posts that we tend to moderate down (and we do do some, look at the last Pay Now... debate with threshold of -1, which you can set above the posts) are those that make personal attacks or are so far off-base and just plain stupid that they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Lastly, when logged in, look at the bottom of the top left "Who's Online" box for a link to change your password. If you're logged in, you don't need to remember/know your old password to change it.
Anyway, in answer to #1) No. It'll be checking for more than two _active sessions_ with a TTL of 17 minutes. That is, if you're on at home and it takes you more than 17 minutes to get to work, your old session is "inactive" even though you're still logged in. The difference is between active use (sessions) and maintaining information, (cookies), the latter are really a mechanism for maintaining state, such as your username and post viewing preferences so you're "recognized" by the system. What we're probably going to do, unless someone has a better suggestion, is allow each user account no more than two active sessions. This is needed because you might walk from one computer to your co-workers and login there (or from home to the library, etc), and if we didn't allow more than one, you'd be locked out. And really pissed off, I'd think.
The need for this is because of rampant password sharing amongst people that don't wanna pay their share. On the other hand, why shouldn't your wife/kids be able to view MO from your account at home while you're at work? If you want them to be able to, leave it logged in and they can, or logout and they can't. Kinda like leaving National Geographic on the coffee table for the kids, and hiding Playboy in the broom closet. ;-)
2) Steve, you have to be moderated down to -1 several times to get the Troll ranking, which is several different people moderating you _down_ twice. I wouldn't worry about it, most posts are going to get moderated up. The only posts that we tend to moderate down (and we do do some, look at the last Pay Now... debate with threshold of -1, which you can set above the posts) are those that make personal attacks or are so far off-base and just plain stupid that they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Lastly, when logged in, look at the bottom of the top left "Who's Online" box for a link to change your password. If you're logged in, you don't need to remember/know your old password to change it.
Are you getting a key error? We use a 128-bit encrypted key, older browswers only support 40-bit.
We'll sign up a different server certificate that's only 40-bit. Stay tuned...
We'll sign up a different server certificate that's only 40-bit. Stay tuned...
Thanks again for the comments. I may be waiting for then simpler 40 bit encryption server thing to be active so that I can donate. Otherwise I got to do the IE update first, and I just hate doing those.
Hey! I donated via the Amazon site a couple weeks ago, and I don't see the "Thanks for donating" confirmation. Am I mortally blind? I hope not, as that would be bad while I'm in the wind.
Brian
Brian
Fixed. Amazon wasn't talking to the MO User DB, so we have to do them manually.
Alright! Thanks for the help.
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