I just skimmed the article, so I may have overlooked it, but I saw nothing as to why Triumph wasn't in the comparo with the D675. Even if the displacement puts it in its own category, it was a mistake not to include it, as it's the big news right now, and will win more than its share of Bike of the Year awards. Of course, if Triumph wouldn't supply one, not MO's fault. Otherwise, the article is worse for having overlooked the only interesting bike in--or near--the category.
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I could understand posting this for the 600 shootout especially with the 636 available, but this is the liter bike article.
Stop skimmin' and start readin' and you would have noticed
Stop skimmin' and start readin' and you would have noticed
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Wow, that was a great article. I really wonder why Honda chose to change the bike so much. I know a lot of people who bought the Honda simply because of its user-friendly nature.
One question I have, is why the Ducati 999 is never included in these tests? I know it doesn't approach the value of these bikes, nor the horsepower, but as was stated, it's much more about the rider than the bike. Also, if someone is in the market for a 999, at $18k, it's not a huge stretch from the $12k range that the other bikes are in.
I would be interested to see what sort of lap times everyone would put in on the underpowered 999, and also how it compares as a street bike (where all the liter bikes are likely to spend the vast majority of their lifetimes).
In other words, I'm in the market for a new bike, considering a Ducati 999, Ducati S4Rs, or perhaps the GSXR1000, 750, or the ZX-10R. I'm just more interested in the entire experience than what the dyno says. Is there any chance the Ducati 999 will be included in a similar test at any point?
One question I have, is why the Ducati 999 is never included in these tests? I know it doesn't approach the value of these bikes, nor the horsepower, but as was stated, it's much more about the rider than the bike. Also, if someone is in the market for a 999, at $18k, it's not a huge stretch from the $12k range that the other bikes are in.
I would be interested to see what sort of lap times everyone would put in on the underpowered 999, and also how it compares as a street bike (where all the liter bikes are likely to spend the vast majority of their lifetimes).
In other words, I'm in the market for a new bike, considering a Ducati 999, Ducati S4Rs, or perhaps the GSXR1000, 750, or the ZX-10R. I'm just more interested in the entire experience than what the dyno says. Is there any chance the Ducati 999 will be included in a similar test at any point?
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Random comments. Great article and videos. The videos make me want to get out there. Of all the bikes out there right now, the GSX-R1000 tops the list of those I want to ride. The thing I like about the open class bikes is the feeling that anything is possible. I guess if I want to try the GSX-R, I'll have to buy one. Hmmmm.
The write-up on the CBR made it sound more appealing to me than where it ended up in the pecking order. I guess it would be number 2 on my list to try out, but not likely to happen. Too bad.
Nice job on the article.
The write-up on the CBR made it sound more appealing to me than where it ended up in the pecking order. I guess it would be number 2 on my list to try out, but not likely to happen. Too bad.
Nice job on the article.
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I'm extremely dissapointed in the fact there's no Ducati in this test. It was proven in the "Master Bike" test in Cycle World that the regular 999s can hang with the Japanese bikes in lap times, and set the 2nd fastest lap out of all bikes. I was very excited when I got the email that an open bike shootout was posted at Motorcycle.com, but was quickly dissapointed. I certainly don't want to hear that they're too expensive because I can't afford a Ferrari or GT40 but that doesn't keep me from buying a copy of Car & Driver to read a review of them.
Sorry if I seem pissed but I've been subscribing for three years and there always seems to be a bike missing from tests that should be there.
Sorry if I seem pissed but I've been subscribing for three years and there always seems to be a bike missing from tests that should be there.
We like to do open in-lines, then Open Twins, then Best of the Best -- but maybe this year we'll expand BotB to Gixxer 1000 & 750, the winner of this year's middleweights and the winner of the twins shootout...
Shootouts are fun, but really, more excuses to go to the track are always needed!
--MO
Shootouts are fun, but really, more excuses to go to the track are always needed!
--MO
you guys have a problem. inspite of all that writing, tons and tons of words, you failed to make me understand why the kawasaki is second and the Suzuki first.
don't get me wrong, I am not disputing the result.
but I read it trying to look for hard concrete material that would be relevant to me that would help me understand the decision and let me see which would be more to my taste, but I couldn't.
I see things like "bad boy attitude" and "got the looks", but thats all fluff if because while you may feel it, it doesn't tell me anything.
No doubt you guys felt the GSXR was the better bike and you may very well be right but you failed to give me give me the meat and potatoes on which to understand why you picked them as you did.
and I feel a little irked because of all the reading involved. I have often regretted that magazines limit word length to where the writers can't talk as in depth as I would like but you guys seem to have take internet publishing as a license to turn into motor mouths.
I suppose that your readers are looking for vicarious pleasures and for them sitting for an hour infront of an article reading every word is the next best thing to a 5 hour shag session with jessica simpson, which is perhaps why you go on and on and on and on.
Me, I just want the juiciest part of the steak. make me understand is substantial terms why you made your choices as you did, give me the information that would help me understand which bike would work best for me, and don't make me read The Brothers Karamazov to get it.
To be honest, I am beginning to get skeptical of this whole thing.
1. it seems that all these bikes have become so good that you guys aren't good enough word smiths to convey the solid differences between them. What you need to do is not tell us how they are better or worse but how different the expierence is of writing them. ANd describing expereinces so that people will expereince them vicariously requires a muse, a poetic touch, not a phd these sized text.
2. I also think that all these bikes have gone so far beyond my abilities and talents that your guys waxing eloquent about which is better and worse has become relevant to me only in the bench racing context.
sorry guys, you seem to have forgotten the first rule of writing. BREVITY is the soul of wit, and tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes.
as have I in writing this complaint.
don't get me wrong, I am not disputing the result.
but I read it trying to look for hard concrete material that would be relevant to me that would help me understand the decision and let me see which would be more to my taste, but I couldn't.
I see things like "bad boy attitude" and "got the looks", but thats all fluff if because while you may feel it, it doesn't tell me anything.
No doubt you guys felt the GSXR was the better bike and you may very well be right but you failed to give me give me the meat and potatoes on which to understand why you picked them as you did.
and I feel a little irked because of all the reading involved. I have often regretted that magazines limit word length to where the writers can't talk as in depth as I would like but you guys seem to have take internet publishing as a license to turn into motor mouths.
I suppose that your readers are looking for vicarious pleasures and for them sitting for an hour infront of an article reading every word is the next best thing to a 5 hour shag session with jessica simpson, which is perhaps why you go on and on and on and on.
Me, I just want the juiciest part of the steak. make me understand is substantial terms why you made your choices as you did, give me the information that would help me understand which bike would work best for me, and don't make me read The Brothers Karamazov to get it.
To be honest, I am beginning to get skeptical of this whole thing.
1. it seems that all these bikes have become so good that you guys aren't good enough word smiths to convey the solid differences between them. What you need to do is not tell us how they are better or worse but how different the expierence is of writing them. ANd describing expereinces so that people will expereince them vicariously requires a muse, a poetic touch, not a phd these sized text.
2. I also think that all these bikes have gone so far beyond my abilities and talents that your guys waxing eloquent about which is better and worse has become relevant to me only in the bench racing context.
sorry guys, you seem to have forgotten the first rule of writing. BREVITY is the soul of wit, and tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes.
as have I in writing this complaint.
Excellent Review... Good thing I was off the clock at 4PM because it took me awhile to read, look at the great videos and pictures. Sean's video through traffic was impressive from a novice's point of view. Great writing. I agree with Pete's assessment of the Suzuki looks/styling. I like my bikes without racer boy graphics so I like the Ninja but I agree the Yamaha looks nice. You guys write the most entertaining and useful reviews on the web and in print, i.e. I am like a drug addict when it comes to MO. I really liked Sean's low down wrap up video, great summary...Glad I reupped my subscription... I am sure longride and Buz and the rest of the GPTB* are happy too who would they pick on if it wasn't me...Don't worry my wife will monitor my posts and meds
Thanks MO Great stuff
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Thanks MO Great stuff
kpaul
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Not so fast pal. Defending MO
Do you work for the magazine Motorcyclist? If yes I suggest you read some of your lame reviews lately. If not I suggest you subscribe to Motorcyclist, CycleWorld, Bike, Sportsrider, like I do and read Motorcyle Daily and other sites on the web. ..I like the fact that we received 4 different perspectives of same bikes and we got a good deal of technical explanation.... I would also go back and read last year's Supersport shootout. That to me was best review ever on MO much better than the same review in Motorcyclist.
Do you work for the magazine Motorcyclist? If yes I suggest you read some of your lame reviews lately. If not I suggest you subscribe to Motorcyclist, CycleWorld, Bike, Sportsrider, like I do and read Motorcyle Daily and other sites on the web. ..I like the fact that we received 4 different perspectives of same bikes and we got a good deal of technical explanation.... I would also go back and read last year's Supersport shootout. That to me was best review ever on MO much better than the same review in Motorcyclist.
Re: Not so fast pal. Defending MO
I don't buy or subscribe to any other magazines now. and I was one of the earliest to subscribe to MO when the went subscription. I have never complained before and I intend to remain a subscriber for a long time
But very recently I've been getting bogged down in the ever increasing quantity of words and I finally snapped with this one for reasons I have given.
I don't buy or subscribe to any other magazines now. and I was one of the earliest to subscribe to MO when the went subscription. I have never complained before and I intend to remain a subscriber for a long time
But very recently I've been getting bogged down in the ever increasing quantity of words and I finally snapped with this one for reasons I have given.
LOL... the I-4 Arms race creates an ever smaller # of *qualified* riders but that has nothing to do with how many of these bikes sell.
Arguably for the kids on the street buying most of these bikes, the more outrageous and beyond their skill level the bike is, the more they desire it.
The number of riders that want bikes they are not qualified to be riding is not shrinking.
Arguably for the kids on the street buying most of these bikes, the more outrageous and beyond their skill level the bike is, the more they desire it.
The number of riders that want bikes they are not qualified to be riding is not shrinking.
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